[r_prah]

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[MrAce]

r_prah, on 2011-December-24, 08:41, said:

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I dont, i would pass.

Here is a quick list of reasons why we overcall in general ( list of some other sources may vary but similar in general)

1-Competing for partscore or game

2-Showing a good suit for lead purposes

3-Finding a good sacrifice

4-Interrupting opponents and/or taking up their bidding space


-Imo this hand at these colors and with 5422 shape has little hope of making game and competing for partscore effectively. And we have pd to act in his turn and passing now doesnt neccesarilly mean we closed our door for the rest of the auction.

-We have a good ♦ suit for lead purposes but if it turns out that pd will lead, i am not unhappy with pd's ♣ lead either (if they end up in other major by LHO)

-Sacrifice at these colors is suicidal. Especially with this balanced hand so it is out of question

-2♦ may interrupt them a little but not much enough to worth the risk at these colors. Note that 2 minor contracts are money maker and people tend to double them more often especially at these colors. We may bail out a big number and if we make it we are not rewarded enough to worth the risk.

-2/1 overcalls usually require 6 card suit. There are exceptions to this of course but i dont think this hand qualifies for one of these exceptions AT THESE colors.

[Phil]

Welcome to the forums.

Its not my style r/w. I don't think there's enough upside, and I rate to be on lead anyway. Improve the hand a little or change the colors and I would overcall. I might at MPs too; dunno.

Good problem.

[P_Marlowe]

2D.

I can understand pass, but this is just not my style.
At least your suits are rasonable and you are 54.

With kind regads
Marlowe

[daveharty]

I will echo what was said by MrAce and Phil, especially about this being a good problem, because it is VERY close to the borderline for me. But 2 level vulnerable overcalls are one of those areas where I really don't shade things; I need either a great 5 card suit AND sound opening values, OR a good six card suit and reasonable values. Here the suit is okay, you aren't going to get doubled on the basis of an opponent holding good trumps, but you don't have a very good chance to compete for the partscore and making a not-very-preemptive overcall like 2D might give the opps additional descriptive options (like LHO bidding a nonforcing and constructive 2H, where he would have been forced to bid 1NT forcing absent the overcall and then been guessing over a 2S rebid; or maybe the opps have a convenient way to distinguish between various 3 and 4 card raises now).

[jmcw]

Yeh, agree with Ace, Phil and Dave. Pass
but

It continues 2♠ pass pass ?. Would you bid now?. I would.

[Phil]

jmcw, on 2011-December-24, 17:21, said:

Yeh, agree with Ace, Phil and Dave. Pass
but

It continues 2♠ pass pass ?. Would you bid now?. I would.

2N - easy game.

[Yu18772]

Agree with MrAce and Phil Not even sure if I compete in minors over the 2♠ though.

[MrAce]

jmcw, on 2011-December-24, 17:21, said:

Yeh, agree with Ace, Phil and Dave. Pass
but

It continues 2♠ pass pass ?. Would you bid now?. I would.

I am one of the most agressive balancers and the previous balancing topics support this claim. But i am with Yu18772 on this. My reason is the minors being in wrong order. Pd will bid ♣ when 2-2 3-3. This reduces our chances to land on our best fit succesfully imo. Since it is reduced i am not sure if it worths to take a shot at 3 level vulnerable. On the other hand our suits are good and this makes it unlikely to be doubled, close decision imo. I wouldn't risk it if i believe things are already going well for us.

[JLOGIC]

I would overcall, but Im a retard

[wank]

MrAce, on 2011-December-25, 01:19, said:

I am one of the most agressive balancers and the previous balancing topics support this claim. But i am with Yu18772 on this. My reason is the minors being in wrong order. Pd will bid ♣ when 2-2 3-3. This reduces our chances to land on our best fit succesfully imo. Since it is reduced i am not sure if it worths to take a shot at 3 level vulnerable. On the other hand our suits are good and this makes it unlikely to be doubled, close decision imo. I wouldn't risk it if i believe things are already going well for us.

don't bid 2nt then. kqjtx looks like an entirely reasonable trump suit to me.

alternatively, play X as t/o for the minors allowing 2nt scramble - as this forum's full of people who play a light initial action style they often say there are no hands they would would X with here if they couldn't X 1 spade in the first place.

[MrAce]

wank, on 2011-December-25, 02:04, said:

don't bid 2nt then. kqjtx looks like an entirely reasonable trump suit to me.

alternatively, play X as t/o for the minors allowing 2nt scramble - as this forum's full of people who play a light initial action style they often say there are no hands they would would X with here if they couldn't X 1 spade in the first place.

As i said i am agressive balancer, give me 1435 or 1444 perfect shapes and 7-8 hcp i will dbl 2♠ now and i would not dbl 1♠. So DBL for only minors is not available without agreement. Scramble i play but i really try to reply posts as if i am playing with a p/u pd and try to solve with logic rather than the toys i know. And as a reader when i see someone suggesting a convention or writing down his/her long agreements i auto skip reading it.

Having said that chances of pd holding 2-2 minors is slim to none i have to admit. That makes him have at least 6♥ and if thats the case he can bid it over 2NT.

[gwnn]

2♦ and not because I saw jlall's post!

[sathyab]

gwnn, on 2011-December-25, 02:59, said:

2♦ and not because I saw jlall's post!

As long as JLOGIC hadn't voted yet, there was no danger of my being the only one who voted for the overcall.

[JLOGIC]

I admit this one is stretching it quite a bit lol

[Fluffy]

I don´t see this close at all :/

[mr1303]

2D for me. Maybe I'm so used to partner finding the worst possible lead, so any help I can give her to lead the right I suit I take. Agree that this is right on the border for being acceptable though.

[MickyB]

I would have passed a couple of years ago, posts by Fred have convinced me this is wrong. Without the diamond ten it would be close for me.

[daveharty]

MickyB, on 2011-December-25, 08:37, said:

I would have passed a couple of years ago, posts by Fred have convinced me this is wrong. Without the diamond ten it would be close for me.

If I could play the dummy as well as Fred or Justin I would overcall too!

[gwnn]

daveharty, on 2011-December-25, 10:04, said:

If I could play the dummy as well as Fred or Justin I would overcall too!

To be fair, your defence is just as far from Fred and Justin's as your declarer play

(and my defence and declarer play is of course also very far from theirs)