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Posted 2012-April-11, 05:04

Both red, imp pairs:

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Q62
T76
AQJT852

(Pa)-1-(Pa)-???

If you were playing SAYC, what would you bid? Would you bid the same if playing 2/1?

1-1NT
2-???

Partner bid our suit! What now?

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2012-April-11, 05:23

I have enough (6+ HCP) to respond but not enough (11+/13+) to bid my suit at the 2-level. So, playing either (and assuming, in 2/1, that 3 immediately doesn't show this hand), I would bid 1NT.
The follow-ups depends on the methods we play. If I'm playing SAYC then I bid 3 - opener has 12-17 HCP and I want to be in game opposite the high end of his range. If I'm lucky he has stoppers in the red suits and we can play 3NT. If I'm unlucky we will probably end up playing 4.
After a forcing 1NT (2/1) I probably still bid 3, but it depends on the methods.
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Posted 2012-April-11, 05:30

View PostAntrax, on 2012-April-11, 05:23, said:

I have enough (6+ HCP) to respond but not enough (11+/13+) to bid my suit at the 2-level. So, playing either (and assuming, in 2/1, that 3 immediately doesn't show this hand), I would bid 1NT.
The follow-ups depends on the methods we play. If I'm playing SAYC then I bid 3 - opener has 12-17 HCP and I want to be in game opposite the high end of his range. If I'm lucky he has stoppers in the red suits and we can play 3NT. If I'm unlucky we will probably end up playing 4.
After a forcing 1NT (2/1) I probably still bid 3, but it depends on the methods.

Wrong evaluation, partner has Jxxxx, AKx, x, Kxxx, you play 3+3.

I would respond 2 if it's not GF, 3 if this is what it shows. 2/1 I must respond 1N.

After 1-1N-2 I'm, not familiar enough with 2/1 to know what to do next, but 3 seems very pusillanimous.
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Posted 2012-April-11, 06:31

Bummer :(
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Posted 2012-April-11, 08:03

Is Bergen raises the default in the US to the extent that agreeing 2/1 means that 1S-3C is going to be a Bergen raise? It seems so much more playable for it to be invitational with clubs, faciliates 1NT semi forcing to.
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Posted 2012-April-12, 13:48

Playing 2/1 GF :

1S - 1NTF
2C ( as few as 3 cards ) - 3NT ( you have at least 6 tricks in , maybe 7; just need a few tricks from partner )
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Posted 2012-April-12, 23:28

Aren't you worried the opponents will lead one of the unbid suits, both in which you're weak? If 3NT is realistic, partner will bid it or bid a stopper at the 3-level.
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Posted 2012-April-13, 03:46

Really hope I play invitational jump shifts, so I bid 3C.

If not, I bid 2C the first time regardless. Been down before...
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Posted 2012-April-13, 03:55

Hi,

Playing SAYC - 4C
Playing 2/1 - 3C

Playing 2/1 I dont mind 4C, but I prefer 3C.

Playing SAYC, I am tighter limited as if playing 2/1.
Playing SAYC, I know p is 54, hence I am not really
interested in playing 3 NT, playing 2/1 he may or may
not have clubs, depends on your 2/1 flavour, hance reaching
3NT is still an worthwhile target.

With kind regards
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PS: I am not sure, this is the right section for this kind of
question.
With kind regards
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Posted 2012-April-13, 08:42

View PostAntrax, on 2012-April-11, 05:23, said:

I have enough (6+ HCP) to respond but not enough (11+/13+) to bid my suit at the 2-level. So, playing either (and assuming, in 2/1, that 3 immediately doesn't show this hand), I would bid 1NT.
The follow-ups depends on the methods we play. If I'm playing SAYC then I bid 3 - opener has 12-17 HCP and I want to be in game opposite the high end of his range. If I'm lucky he has stoppers in the red suits and we can play 3NT. If I'm unlucky we will probably end up playing 4.
After a forcing 1NT (2/1) I probably still bid 3, but it depends on the methods.


I like everything you wrote. Your logic is flawless. The shape is a bit extreme, and extreme shapes means that unnusual results might happen, you might go down 5 in 3NT, or you can make slam in clubs. But on average your aproach is sound.
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Posted 2012-April-13, 09:21

Thanks. It's refreshing to see someone not focusing on the opener hand where we miss a cold 6 by bidding by the book, in the N/B forum.
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