[bd71]

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Matchpoints. Both vul. South deals.

Two questions in poll...

[Antrax]

What are 5x bids after your 4NT, besides a way to make partner wonder if maybe you forgot and are responding to keycard?

[bd71]

Antrax, on 2012-September-09, 10:57, said:

What are 5x bids after your 4NT, besides a way to make partner wonder if maybe you forgot and are responding to keycard?

5♣/5♦/5♥ show a quant accept with 0/1/2 aces as a way to get out at 5N in case we somehow are off two.

5♠ is quant accept but would normally inquire about playing a minor suit slam. We've only discussed this after "pure" NT auctions (1N-4N, 2N-4N, etc.) so not sure this would apply here. Maybe it should as a way to bring a diamond slam back into the picture.

I didn't include these as poll options because I thought they would be non-standard. But per our agreements the quant accept shoudl show aces at the 5-level rather than bid 6N directly as suggested in the poll.

[lycier]

Question 1: obviously double is a good option now,if opener rebid 3s, I bid 3nt,if rebid 3H,I willing to bid 4H,cuebid 4c is also a good idea.
Question2:I am willing to bid 6d directly,then let opener decide final contract.

[bd71]

If you double, are you not worried about hearing 4♠?

[Fluffy]

IMO 4NT must be 18-19 balanced, and I would pass it, if partner has shortness he should bid 4m instead of 4NT.

EDIT: I though that 31/32 combined should not play slam at first, but thinking deeper, the preempt is giving us info, and we have a fit to develop an extra trick, so 6♦ is better than I though at first. Still too many jacks for my taste.

[kayin801]

3NT and pass. I don't think X is bad, if partner bids 4♠ I'll bid 5♦. But I'll risk missing a 4-4 heart fit for putting us in the most likely best contract. Plus, matchpoints, come on

I think moving over 4NT is very close. I agree with Fluffy that 4NT is 18-19 bal since 4♦ and 4♥/4♠ are certainly forcing and slammish here. I'm a little worried about the position of the cards in 6♦ despite the extra info from the preempt. Besides, with a passed partner RHO could have all the missing high cards or could be honor-7th of clubs and a stiff and out. If forced to bid slam I would rather bid 6NT to protect my holdings and since there's a chance LHO is void in clubs. If partner's spade holding is bad enough that we would need spade ruffs, hopefully we'll have enough tricks in the other 3 suits (maybe aim for 2 spades, 3 hearts, 5 diamonds, 2 clubs)

[ggwhiz]

On a free run type of 1nt - 4nt quantitative auction we have the agreement to respond straight Aces when accepting followed by 4 card suits up the line untiul we land.

Maybe that gets you to 6♥ here when pard is 4-5 in the reds but that's a huge stretch and I'm sure I am landing in 6♦ losing a spade and a red card?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

bd71, on 2012-September-09, 10:37, said:

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Matchpoints. Both vul. South deals.

Two questions in poll...

bd71.....
1) What was partner's hand ??

2) One unconventional (unorthodox ) bidding treatment for this awkward situation for Responder is as follows ( by agreement ):
3S = 5+ cards
Neg X = at all levels ( with appropriate values ) promises 4 cards ♠, but says nothing about ♥
3H = 4+ ♥

Thus, in this situation:

(p) - 1D - ( 3C ) - 3H