[MickyB]

xxx KTxx Q9 Kxxx

1D:1H
2S:2N
3D:??

Edit:

2S natural GF. We've been known to rebid 1S on poor 19s because we respond light.
2N natural, doesn't show extras. 3C would have been 4SF, usually showing doubt about clubs.
3D shows 4-6 distribution.

[phil_20686]

was 2N the start of a sign off, or was it natural showing some values?

[MickyB]

phil_20686, on 2012-September-11, 06:25, said:

was 2N the start of a sign off, or was it natural showing some values?

2S was GF, and maybe half-a-point stronger than you might expect [occasionally 19s rebid 1S]. 2N was natural [by our meta-agreements, 3N would have shown extras confident about playing NT, but that's probably not that useful here].

[phil_20686]

MickyB, on 2012-September-11, 06:29, said:

2S was GF, and maybe half-a-point stronger than you might expect [occasionally 19s rebid 1S]. 2N was natural [by our meta-agreements, 3N would have shown extras confident about playing NT, but that's probably not that useful here].

Probably you should bid 4d then. Its good news that partner did not patter out, as he is probably 4252 which makes your kings working. Also, he probably has extras to bid 3d, as he could just raise to 3N.

[MickyB]

phil_20686, on 2012-September-11, 06:34, said:

Probably you should bid 4d then. Its good news that partner did not patter out, as he is probably 4252 which makes your kings working. Also, he probably has extras to bid 3d, as he could just raise to 3N.

We seem to have slightly different ideas about what this auction shows...I'll add notes to OP

[billw55]

I'll bid 3♠.

[Codo]

I would need a void in partners hand to make 6 more then 50 %.
If I bid 3 NT, I need 6 diamonds and a trick in my hand and 2 Spades if partner has really nothing in the other suits. I will take my chances there. even at imps.

[gszes]

since 3d would be pretty automatic missing the dia Q I see no reason to
avoid 3n with this hand. 11 tricks seem a fair distance off and 3n would
seem very diffcult to beat. My two kings may well be usless in a dia
contract but are definitely useful in nt go for it.

[MrAce]

I will bid 4♦, Qx in pds 6 card suit is important value of my hand and i will show it. After all if i dont show it at some point pd will never know if we have a fit or not.

Pd is obviously upto something, we bid 2 NT, i think he could have bid 3 NT unless he has some concerns or more expectations from his hand.

[mike777]

3nt

bidding minor suit slams is tough

I will give pard:

AKJx...A...AKTxxx...xxx
or
AKTx..A...AKJxxx...xxx

Hopefully 3nt shows a balanced hand with 4 hearts and scattered hcp roughly 6-9.
I dont think 2nt promised or denied a balanced hand with more than that so pard had to rebid 3d.

[mikeh]

Good news: I hold the diamond Q.

Bad news: I hold no Aces and the worst possible spade holding.

Partner is presumably some 6421 or precisely 4=0=6=3 (tho some of these bid 3♣ over 2N) or has 7 diamonds.

If he would bid this way with AKQx Ax AKJxxx x, or similar, then my 3N misses a good slam, but I can't cater to everything. Besides, maybe he bids 4N with this.

For one thing, say I bid 4♦, which has to be the alternative to 3N....what do I do over 4♥ or 4♠? I can hardly cuebid given that my hand is almost unlimited and my spades horrible. So partner will have to guess, tho he'll probably evaluate well given the auction.

I choose 3N in tempo...he still has a chance unless I have barred him...so if he has a true monster, maybe, just maybe, he can squeak one more time.

I am assuming imps or a good mp field, where missing a good slam will cost, but I still can't bring myself to bypass 3N. Incidentally, I understand that this sequence suggests doubt about 3N, which makes it more attractive.

[mike777]

agree pard can bid again with a void or only a 3 loser hand which north will not assume on this bidding.

tough to see that slam will be better than 50% without pard having alot of extras and often worse than 50%.

[Fluffy]

Kings opposite shorts aren't good for slams, I'd bid 3NT and hope to make it.

[MickyB]

Follow-up question: On what sort of hand would I bid 3H over 3D?

[lalldonn]

I bid 3NT but it's kind of close. I really hate the spade holding. The AKQ A AK example is really specific, partner can very easily have less.

[Fluffy]

MickyB, on 2012-September-12, 05:16, said:

Follow-up question: On what sort of hand would I bid 3H over 3D?

IMO one with doubts between 3NT and 5♦ because of club weakness, ♣A10x would be ideal for that bid

[Zelandakh]

Fluffy, on 2012-September-12, 14:21, said:

IMO one with doubts between 3NT and 5♦ because of club weakness, ♣A10x would be ideal for that bid

How about a hand with 5 hearts? I mean, nothing in MickyB's post said that 2NT could not contain a 5 card heart suit, nor that Opener cannot be 4360. That would allow a direct 3♥ rebid to promise 6 which is surely a good thing. Occasionally bidding naturally is actually best...

[Fluffy]

Zelandakh, on 2012-September-13, 07:19, said:

How about a hand with 5 hearts? I mean, nothing in MickyB's post said that 2NT could not contain a 5 card heart suit, nor that Opener cannot be 4360. That would allow a direct 3♥ rebid to promise 6 which is surely a good thing. Occasionally bidding naturally is actually best...

4360 doesn´t bid 3♦, when you have a bid that shows 12 of your cards 3 of wich are in the main playabel strain you don´t lose your time showing only 10 hiding support for partner.

[PhilKing]

I like to play 3♥ as doubt about hearts.

Here I would bid 3NT and reach for my scorecard.