what is this bidding? 3H-4C-p-4NT
#2
Posted 2012-October-09, 08:17
Hope my partners agree with this.
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#3
Posted 2012-October-09, 10:33
#4
Posted 2012-October-09, 10:49
dwar0123, on 2012-October-09, 10:33, said:
I voted "to play", also. Then I started to overthink
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True, 4D is forcing, and 4H is very forcing. However, perhaps we need 4H as a forcing spade bid, since 4S would not be forcing. This is not something we have adopted, but it might be...and it would necessitate 4NT not being to play.
#5
Posted 2012-October-09, 10:53
aguahombre, on 2012-October-09, 10:49, said:
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True, 4D is forcing, and 4H is very forcing. However, perhaps we need 4H as a forcing spade bid, since 4S would not be forcing. This is not something we have adopted, but it might be...and it would necessitate 4NT not being to play.
Agreements trump everything, without I think taking this to play is best.
Still, I think there will be a lot of hands where notrump is the right contract and giving up any way of getting there may not be best long term.
#6
Posted 2012-October-09, 11:26
#7
Posted 2012-October-09, 15:24
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#8
Posted 2012-October-09, 16:03
#9
Posted 2012-October-09, 16:26
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#11
Posted 2012-October-09, 18:13
That rule simplifies a lot of sequences, although in my partnerships I flip it for one specific call: 2N. Then I play that 2N in competitive auctions has an artificial meaning unless we have specifically agreed natural.
Here, we clearly need to be able to suggest notrump from our side. It is easy to see how this trumps the need to ask for Aces just on frequency grounds. It is also easy to see why 4N may well be a better contract, on many 4♣ overcalls, than 5♣.
Since it thus appears that 4N as natural is useful, the discussion about what it means without prior agreement is at an end.
What it should be is an entirely different topic.
I can see: 4♦ as natural, forcing
4♥ transfer to spades, either to play or forcing, intending to bid again
4♠ as a good raise in clubs, slam try
4N as natural
5♣ as no slam interest.
I don't have this agreement with anyone, of course.
#12
Posted 2012-October-09, 18:42
mikeh, on 2012-October-09, 18:13, said:
What it should be is an entirely different topic.
I can see: 4♦ as natural, forcing
4♥ transfer to spades, either to play or forcing, intending to bid again
4♠ as a good raise in clubs, slam try
4N as natural
5♣ as no slam interest.
I don't have this agreement with anyone, of course.
Thanks. That completes the picture while leaving 4NT as to play.
It seems that with the scheme, partner has no choice over the 4H xfer but to accept it, though; and I would rather she knew it was slammish and could express an opinion at that point. Can't happen, since your 4S "good raise in clubs" is needed, too.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-October-09, 18:51