[mike777]

IMPS, GAME ALL

(1D)=P=(1NT)=DOUBLE
(3D)=?


J2...Q86....T52....KQ984


NO SPECIAL AGREEMENT ABOUT DOUBLE

RHO OPENS 1D AND REBIDS 3D

YOUR CALL?

[JLOGIC]

4C, a little bizarre because there's a 1N bid on my left which usually has clubs (esp when RHO jump rebid diamonds), but what else can I do?

[PhilKing]

I would squeak a pass.

[JLOGIC]

 PhilKing, on 2013-March-06, 11:24, said:

I would squeak a pass.

Our vul senior opps always have their bids

[ArtK78]

Pass. Bidding 4♣ runs the risk of a penalty double by LHO and a large minus without much of a prospect of producing a sizable plus score.

Call me chicken if you must.

[Cyberyeti]

 mike777, on 2013-March-06, 11:19, said:

IMPS, GAME ALL

(1D)=P=(1NT)=DOUBLE
(3D)=?


J2...Q86....T52....KQ984


NO SPECIAL AGREEMENT ABOUT DOUBLE

RHO OPENS 1D AND REBIDS 3D

YOUR CALL?

Are opps playing inverted minors ? so could the 1N bidder hold a 3343 2♦ raise that he didn't fancy bidding 3 on opposite a potential 3 card suit vulnerable ? if so I could be passing a 6-4 fit with xxx at the 3 level and I really don't fancy that. I'll bid 4♣ hoping the layout is something like:

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Where 4♣ and 4♦ can both make and your 4♣ can easily end the auction.

[JLOGIC]

 ArtK78, on 2013-March-06, 12:18, said:

Pass. Bidding 4♣ runs the risk of a penalty double by LHO and a large minus without much of a prospect of producing a sizable plus score.

Call me chicken if you must.

I can't believe that getting to 5C is not considered a sizable plus score. If partner has a diamond void (not so unlikely) then we need very little from partner for game and he will bid it.

[FrancesHinden]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-March-06, 12:36, said:

Are opps playing inverted minors ? so could the 1N bidder hold a 3343 2♦ raise that he didn't fancy bidding 3 on opposite a potential 3 card suit vulnerable ? if so I could be passing a 6-4 fit with xxx at the 3 level and I really don't fancy that. I'll bid 4♣ hoping the layout is something like:

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Where 4♣ and 4♦ can both make and your 4♣ can easily end the auction.

This layout is only possible if the bidding goes anti-clockwise

[FrancesHinden]

 JLOGIC, on 2013-March-06, 12:41, said:

I can't believe that getting to 5C is not considered a sizable plus score. If partner has a diamond void (not so unlikely) then we need very little from partner for game and he will bid it.

I know I also want to bid 4C.
Tell me, what would you bid after 1D P 1NT looking at

K109xx
KJxx
xx
Ax

?

(yes I know they might bid and make 3NT if that's partner's hand)

[ArtK78]

I suspect that many of the hands on which our side can make 5♣ the opps may have play for 5♦, but that is not the main issue. The main issue is risk/reward. There are hands that are consistent with the auction on which our side can make 11 tricks in clubs (I suspect that there are not many, but they certainly exist). But, as Frances points out graphically, there are hands that are consistent with the auction on which our side will get killed in 4♣.

So, are we going to stick our necks out at the 4 level on what may amount to a part-score battle?

[PhilKing]

 FrancesHinden, on 2013-March-06, 12:47, said:

I know I also want to bid 4C.
Tell me, what would you bid after 1D P 1NT looking at

K109xx
KJxx
xx
Ax

?

(yes I know they might bid and make 3NT if that's partner's hand)

That was close to my construction - unless the 3♦ bidder has four spades, partner has to have five. That means he is 54??, since he would overcall 2♠ with 5314 or similar, and I know I would double with any 54?? 11-count regardless of club length.

[JLOGIC]

 FrancesHinden, on 2013-March-06, 12:47, said:

I know I also want to bid 4C.
Tell me, what would you bid after 1D P 1NT looking at

K109xx
KJxx
xx
Ax

?

(yes I know they might bid and make 3NT if that's partner's hand)

I would double of course

[JLOGIC]

It seems to me that either one or both of the opponents are light on HCP. In that case, they both rate to have more diamonds than usua (jump rebidding a 7 card suit requires less than a 6 card suit, bidding 1N vul is safer with a diamond fit if you have low HCP). That is why I think this 5422 layout is not likely. Heck, if partner is light he is more likely to be short in diamonds also (he can double with a 5404 9 count, but needs more with 1 diamond, and even more with 2 diamonds).

[Cyberyeti]

 FrancesHinden, on 2013-March-06, 12:46, said:

This layout is only possible if the bidding goes anti-clockwise

Very true, I wish people would use the hand editor, but I think the sort of point stands, there are plenty of hands where 3♦ and 4♣ both make.

[mike777]

ok thanks for all the replies...



this was Jeff Meckstroth'S hand


they lost the senior team by 3 imps vs Kasle team IN finals.

the other table had a very different auction to 5c.

Jeff bid 3h on this one.

I thought Jeff's bidding something on this hand was very very much in character and so I wanted to post this very difficult deal!


Bob Hamman'a hAND WAS:\\


KQ862...KT43...VOID....A853

he raised to 4h and lost 13 imps

I thought this was very interesting and very difficult hand on many levels.

[JLOGIC]

3H, thats a very...meck bid

[nige1]

 mike777, on 2013-March-06, 11:19, said:

IMPS, GAME ALL. ♠ J2 ♥ Q86 ♦ T52 ♣ KQ984
(1♦) _P (1N) _X
(3♦) ??

IMO 3♥ = 10, Pass = 9, 4♣ = 8, _X = 7. Hope opponents' ♥ break 3-3, when you don't mind reversing the dummy.

[the hog]

4C. I think pass is poor.

[Zelandakh]

What would Double show for everyone in this auction? Presumably no 4 card major (we would just bid it or 4♦ with both) and clearly wanting to compete. Perhaps this should show one or both 3 card majors with clubs and some values. I am mildly surprised that noone other than Nige even mentioned it as a possibility. 4♣ would be my 4th choice.

[mike777]

 Zelandakh, on 2013-March-07, 03:49, said:

What would Double show for everyone in this auction? Presumably no 4 card major (we would just bid it or 4♦ with both) and clearly wanting to compete. Perhaps this should show one or both 3 card majors with clubs and some values. I am mildly surprised that noone other than Nige even mentioned it as a possibility. 4♣ would be my 4th choice.

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