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Posted 2013-August-13, 20:17



Would you Michael's or bid 2?

If you bid 2 East will bid 3 and partner will pass.
Now would you bid?
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Posted 2013-August-13, 20:51

2h
Yes, 4c
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Posted 2013-August-13, 21:37

I would Mike it. For starters, it muddies the waters for the opponents about the nature of 3S (presumably you meant North bid 3S, not East).

Now, after:
(1S) 2S (3S) P
(P)...I would bid 4H, not 4C. Why? Because I have six of them, and will have shown 6 of a minor as well --- an inference because I chose Michaels instead of 2H on the previous round. Am willing to play 5C if Pard is stiff or void in hearts and asks via 4N. If I bid 4C instead, I don't think Pard will bid 4H with only two of them.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 00:57

Michael's of course. Why on earth not?
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Posted 2013-August-14, 02:56

I have "at least 5-5" don't I? Obvious Michaels.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 17:03

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-August-13, 21:37, said:

I would Mike it. For starters, it muddies the waters for the opponents about the nature of 3S (presumably you meant North bid 3S, not East).

Now, after:
(1S) 2S (3S) P
(P)...I would bid 4H, not 4C. Why? Because I have six of them, and will have shown 6 of a minor as well --- an inference because I chose Michaels instead of 2H on the previous round. Am willing to play 5C if Pard is stiff or void in hearts and asks via 4N. If I bid 4C instead, I don't think Pard will bid 4H with only two of them.



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Posted 2013-August-15, 02:04

What range do you play Michaels? I play split-range, either weak or very strong, and I think this hand is worth treating as very strong. I therefore cue-bid, then bid again - partner should get the message.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 07:32

Some pairs play that mike can be any range, as Lawrence suggests. I prefer the weak or strong which has suited my approach well over time. So I show the 2 suited nature at once and then over 3S we have the option of bidding again, we can bid clubs which would clear up which our other suit was and indicate a strong playing hand. Or you can choose to dble allowing partner to pass with his bazillion trumps.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 10:12

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-August-13, 21:37, said:



Now, after:
(1S) 2S (3S) P
(P)...I would bid 4H, not 4C. Why? Because I have six of them, and will have shown 6 of a minor as well --- an inference because I chose Michaels instead of 2H on the previous round

I don't think 4h shows six clubs. I could be 6-5 and too strong for a 2h overcall
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Posted 2013-August-15, 11:08

View Posthelene_t, on 2013-August-15, 10:12, said:

I don't think 4h shows six clubs. I could be 6-5 and too strong for a 2h overcall

Sorry to be unclear. I meant the inference was there for us. Didn't mean to assume it was yours, too --- or insist it had to be anyone's, for that matter.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 13:26

I would only Michaels if not playing 2/1.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 13:48

I love Mike Lawrence stuff but this michaels on any range never worked for me.

I'm more concerned with the opponents bouncing into 4 which would get pretty much an auto pass from pard. They pretty much have an auto pass over 3 too.

After 2 and the same bounce I'll still bid but at least pard had a chance to smash them in 4 or in 5 if they get out of line. And of course lho can now bid 2 instead of 3 giving pard a chance to show a pulse with modest values.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 15:28

2 -- the sensational shape and great offensive potential seem too good for 2.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 16:12

View Postakhare, on 2013-August-15, 15:28, said:

2 -- the sensational shape and great offensive potential seem too good for 2.


I'm pretty confused by this. :(
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Posted 2013-August-15, 16:43

foobar said:

♥ -- the sensational shape and great offensive potential seem too good for 2♠.


View PostPhilKing, on 2013-August-15, 16:12, said:

I'm pretty confused by this. :(



Thought it was more clear than the below, but I digress B-).

PhilKing said:

I would only Michaels if not playing 2/1.


Regardless, if it helps, I would bid 2 with a 5-5 or even 5-6, but consider this shape too good for Michaels (fully intending to compete with 5 if 4 comes around to me). Over 4, 4N would likely emphasize and show a second side suit. 5 would presumably show a desire to play in either suit.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 17:00

View Postakhare, on 2013-August-15, 16:43, said:

Thought it was more clear than the below, but I digress B-).



Regardless, if it helps, I would bid 2 with a 5-5 or even 5-6, but consider this shape too good for Michaels (fully intending to compete with 5 if 4 comes around to me). Over 4, 4N would likely emphasize and show a second side suit. 5 would presumably show a desire to play in either suit.


Were I to overcall, it would doubtless go all pass. Partner would then be really confused when I told him I was "too good" to force to game via Michael's.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 17:13

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-August-15, 17:00, said:

Were I to overcall, it would doubtless go all pass. Partner would then be really confused when I told him I was "too good" to force to game via Michael's.



Perhaps, doubletless reflects what actually happened at the table, but IMO, 2 being passed out seems improbable.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 17:52

In case you didn't catch Phil's joke about only bidding Michaels if not playing 2/1, it has 3 entendres. Truly one of the better posts of the year.
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Posted 2013-August-15, 19:46

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-August-15, 17:52, said:

In case you didn't catch Phil's joke about only bidding Michaels if not playing 2/1, it has 3 intendres. Truly one of the better posts of the year.


That s "entendre", not "intendre", or was that an intendre?
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Posted 2013-August-15, 20:11

Fixed.
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