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Posted 2014-August-20, 02:57
♠xx
♥xx
♦AKQxxx
♣K9x
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1♥-1♠-3♥-??
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♥xx
♦AKQxxx
♣K9x
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Posted 2014-August-20, 03:45
I guess Dbl followed by Dbl.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 05:24
I bid 4♦.
If the bidding continues, (4♥) pass (pass), I will double.
If the bidding continues, (4♥) pass (pass), I will double.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 05:35
Thrump double.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 06:29
I'd bid 4♦. It might be nice to be playing double as asking for a heart stop, but it doesn't show that. It's for takeout, and partner will expect length in both minors. If I double and LHO bids 4♥, we'll never be able to judge whether to compete or what suit to compete in. Even if it goes dbl-pass, and partner has a heart stop, he won't often bid 3NT, because that's not what he's been asked to do.
Having bid 4♦, on the next round I'd pass it out. Double would invite further action, which I don't particularly want to do given that partner passed over 4♥.
Having bid 4♦, on the next round I'd pass it out. Double would invite further action, which I don't particularly want to do given that partner passed over 4♥.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2014-August-20, 06:39
Oh I am definitely bidding my AKQ 6th suit. No question about it on my part. And if 4 h comes to me I have an easy pass.
I am bidding because there are a lot of good things that can happen besides the fact that no other call can tell pd better than 4 d
- Opponents may let me play it.
- instead of forcing pd to bid or pass double, when he has no clue that my hand is worthless if god forbid someone is short in diamonds, bidding 4 d gives him more flexible options.
-they can bid 4 and pd may double, which I now can pass easily. Or pd passes it to me and I can pass easily.
-pd can bid 5 dia and we make or we convince them that we are making.
I am bidding because there are a lot of good things that can happen besides the fact that no other call can tell pd better than 4 d
- Opponents may let me play it.
- instead of forcing pd to bid or pass double, when he has no clue that my hand is worthless if god forbid someone is short in diamonds, bidding 4 d gives him more flexible options.
-they can bid 4 and pd may double, which I now can pass easily. Or pd passes it to me and I can pass easily.
-pd can bid 5 dia and we make or we convince them that we are making.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 06:41
Heh, Andy beat me while I was trying to type on this piece of &@#%^ phone
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2014-August-20, 09:35
4♦, a highly descriptive bid. An informed partner tends to make better decisions.
Life is long and beautiful, if bad things happen, good things will follow.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 10:21
The real question here is <is 4d forcing or not> and it makes a huge
difference in any further contested auctions. IMHO the range of a 1s overcall
is so vast that it is impossible for 4d to be forcing and I would play it as
having even less potential for making 5d than a 5d bid. If your partnership
plays 4d as forcing here then you might as well quit reading the rest of this
opinion because your side is committed to game. If I were playing 4d as forcing
I would pass unless playing with a partner that always makes strong overcalls.
While I am a dia short for 4d I have decent suit quality which helps minimize
the danger of bidding this way at unfavorable. The 4d bid quite properly warns
p about the 1 suited nature of my hand and limits my power since I could have
not only bid 5d but I could also have chosen x followed by some number of
diamonds with stronger hands. Bidding 4d here allows me to feel much safer about
any action p may take if the opps continue to bid and I can respect a pass of
4h.
difference in any further contested auctions. IMHO the range of a 1s overcall
is so vast that it is impossible for 4d to be forcing and I would play it as
having even less potential for making 5d than a 5d bid. If your partnership
plays 4d as forcing here then you might as well quit reading the rest of this
opinion because your side is committed to game. If I were playing 4d as forcing
I would pass unless playing with a partner that always makes strong overcalls.
While I am a dia short for 4d I have decent suit quality which helps minimize
the danger of bidding this way at unfavorable. The 4d bid quite properly warns
p about the 1 suited nature of my hand and limits my power since I could have
not only bid 5d but I could also have chosen x followed by some number of
diamonds with stronger hands. Bidding 4d here allows me to feel much safer about
any action p may take if the opps continue to bid and I can respect a pass of
4h.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 11:39
I also bid 4D. I do not consider it forcing nor a safe bid - but a necessary one considering the vast range of the 1S overcall.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 23:44
usually dbl show min 4/4+ minors, decision is 4d (if show max 12/13hp non forcing)
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Posted 2014-August-21, 03:57
gszes, on 2014-August-20, 10:21, said:
The real question here is <is 4d forcing or not>
Only RHM and PhilNumber play these bids as forcing. A few people were unsure, then Justin said "non-forcing" and that was that.
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Posted 2014-August-21, 08:42
4d now and let partner tell me his judgment over 4H.
I go with HIS Pass or Dbl over 4H.
I go with HIS Pass or Dbl over 4H.
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Posted 2014-August-27, 08:16
4♦, then pass
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Posted 2014-August-27, 11:15
Fluffy, on 2014-August-20, 02:57, said:
unfavourable, IMPs, LHO is dealer ♠ x x ♥ x x ♦ A K Q x x x ♣ K 9 x
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- Over 2♥: 4♦ = 10, Double = 9.
- Over 4♥: Double = 10, Pass = 9, 4♠ = 8. Parners tell me I don't double enough
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