[dickiegera]

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West is dealer


I don't find it the right hand to open 2♣.

If you open 1♣ partner will bid 1♥ now WHAT is your rebid?

[mike777]

I suppose 4c or 3nt perhaps.

[hrothgar]

9 card suit with no more than 1 loser.
0-1 first round controls in other suits

I use a 4NT opening to show this...

Picked up the treatment from Preempts from A to Z

[mikeh]

This is basically unbiddable scientifically. There is no need to be worried about this. Years will go by, even if you are a frequent player, before you hold this sort of hand again...not only a good 9 card suit but all those Kings as well.

Opening 4N, asking for Aces (specific or otherwise) doesn't appeal to me....far too often partner disappoints you by holding just 1, and deliberately aiming for a minus score on this hand seems a bit weird.

Opening 1♣ will probably get you by the first round, since there are a lot of non-clubs held by the other players, not to mention s lot of hcp.

However, what to do next?

Faking a reverse is an old stand-by, but it is very dangerous when you have no fit or tolerance for responder's suit since you may not get partner in on the joke until far too late. Jumping to 4♣ might work, and I confess I have no idea what that means in standard. I've played it for the past 35+ years as 4 hearts and 6+ clubs, good hand. I've played it so often and with so many partners that my instinct would be to expect anyone, beyond beginner status, to at least think that was the intended meaning.

I suppose 1♣ followed by 5♣ is likely the best effort.

I agree with no 2♣ but, and this will surprise many who have seen my views on 2♣ openers, I don't think it is completely 'out there'.

Finally, of course, one could simply open 5♣ but we will miss too many slams when I make a purely preemptive call.

1♣ then 5♣ isn't exactly scientific but it gets across that you have a club suit worth the 5-level and too much hand to open 5♣ and that seems a fair, tho ill-defined, description.

[ahydra]

I agree with opening 1C and rebidding 5C.

ahydra

[Vampyr]

mike777, on 2014-September-30, 18:02, said:

I suppose 4c or 3nt perhaps.

4♣ will show good clubs, but it will also show good hearts.

Edit: sorry, repeated what mikeh said. I am not sure what mikeh means by "standard", but I am pretty sure that this was in the big Goren book I had as a kid -- and the book was old even then.

[mike777]

ya if 4c shows a huge hand with 4h and long clubs I expect some if not many to rebid 3nt esp at MP.


3nt may be wrong but then Mp bidding need not be imp bidding.


Clearly we can see that 3nt may go down when 5c makes.

[P_Marlowe]

1C - 1H
3C (1) - 3H (2)
4C (3) - 4H (4)
4S (5) - 5C (6)



(1) what else, 2C is not enough, and absent agreements, you have no easy way to force
and given your lack of Aces, game is not certain
(2) depdending an agreement, 3C did not deny 3 card heart support, should deny 4 spades
(3) should set trumps, showing some SI, we have 17+ and responder is still unlimited
(4) Cue, denies diamond cue
(5) Cue, unable to use RKCB, implies 2KC (how else to justify the SI)
(6) 1 KC is not enough

[billw55]

If 1♣ - p - 1♥ - p, I will rebid 3NT. Thought this was normal with a solid minor, although admittedly this hand is outside the bounds of normal.

I find opening 5♣ very tempting. Slam is unlikely due to lack of controls, and the two major suit stiffs suggest that ops may be able to outbid me if they get organized.

Of course if, like hog, you have a bid that actually shows this, then go for it.

[whereagles]

1♣ 1♥
5♣

seems like a fair approach. No need to open 2♣ because we only need an ace across to make game and with an ace pard will probably respond to 1♣.

After 1♥ the straight rebid seems normal, hoping pard can re-evaluate and bid slam with 2 aces. Not much more I can do without specialized methods.