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Strong hand behind a preempt - corrected version

Poll: Strong hand behind a preempt - corrected version (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Pick a call for both vuls

  1. NV - X (2 votes [2.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.53%

  2. NV - 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. NV - 3N (1 votes [1.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.27%

  4. NV - 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. NV - 4H (34 votes [43.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.04%

  6. NV - Other (3 votes [3.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.80%

  7. Vul - X (2 votes [2.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.53%

  8. Vul - 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Vul - 3N (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Vul - 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Vul - 4H (36 votes [45.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.57%

  12. Vul - Other (1 votes [1.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.27%

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2014-November-30, 13:46

At IMPs (St Petersburg) LHO bids 3 and it's passed twice around to this:

x
AKQJ9xx
AQx
xx

Similar, but rather importantly different from the hand I originally gave! What's your call here?

(I completely messed up the original thread by getting the minors the wrong way around)
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Posted 2014-November-30, 14:15

4. Preempts work.

By the way, you can make two polls in the same post. Maybe you wanna try that next time (one for V, other for NV).
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Posted 2014-November-30, 14:18

Looks like textbook 4H bid.

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Posted 2014-November-30, 19:40

Yeah, hopefully my comment from the other thread makes more sense now:

A bunch of decent players gave me funny looks when it drifted one off after P put down AJT9xxx T Tx Kxx, and on a C lead and D switch, I couldn't find a way to get rid of the loser.
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Posted 2014-November-30, 22:07

So, RHO won not with the A, returned a diamond won by LHO's J and he returned a trump?
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Posted 2014-December-01, 10:36

4 is the obvious call. I expect to make 10 or more tricks in hearts at least 85% of the time. Quite frankly, I am more worried about missing a slam than about going down in game.
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Posted 2014-December-01, 10:51

4H are my bids ( NV or Vul). I have to assume something.I am an aggressive bidder and since I can't see all 52 cards I shall always bid 4Hearts .It does not matter if I go down.
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Posted 2014-December-01, 16:34

By the way, if you reopen in fourth seat, you are in front of preemptor's hand.
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Posted 2014-December-01, 18:58

View PostArtK78, on 2014-December-01, 10:36, said:

4 is the obvious call. I expect to make 10 or more tricks in hearts at least 85% of the time. Quite frankly, I am more worried about missing a slam than about going down in game.


I agree that it's the obvious call. That said, I wasn't mega-surprised given the running suit and stop in theirs that 3N is a much better game than 4H (laydown if P can play it), so I was wondering if anyone could offer a reason to find it.

Also, 85% seems very optimistic to me. I have 5 losers that I need P to cover 2+ of. The KD opposite is very unlikely, and any outstanding aces are likely to be with RHO, so my best chances of a good game are finding P with two bullets, or a stiff D and three trumps, or a bullet, stiff D and two trumps. None seem that likely, though I'd be surprised if they didn't easily sum to enough for it to be a good teams bid.
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Posted 2014-December-01, 19:08

View PostBbradley62, on 2014-November-30, 22:07, said:

So, RHO won not with the A, returned a diamond won by LHO's J and he returned a trump?


I didn't give him a chance to win the diamond. If I had, the foreseeable D ruff would have killed the contract much quicker.
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Posted 2014-December-02, 06:02

View PostJinksy, on 2014-December-01, 18:58, said:

I agree that it's the obvious call. That said, I wasn't mega-surprised given the running suit and stop in theirs that 3N is a much better game than 4H (laydown if P can play it), so I was wondering if anyone could offer a reason to find it.

I picked 3N NV, on the grounds that it was the most likely game to make. I was worried about all those 100s when V if I was wrong, though, since it could go very wrong when it went wrong, so I chickened out with 4H, like most others. But I wasn't entirely convinced by my own choices or reasons in either case.....
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