[mgoetze]

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[PhilKing]

About seven out of ten.

[Cyberyeti]

I'd go less than that maybe 5, partner probably has some spade length as favourable opps haven't bounced the auction higher. Wouldn't surprise me to find something like:

KJxx, AQ10xxx, Jx, J opposite where slam is really poor on a trump lead (and not much better on other leads).

[rhm]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-July-21, 03:44, said:

I'd go less than that maybe 5, partner probably has some spade length as favourable opps haven't bounced the auction higher. Wouldn't surprise me to find something like:

KJxx, AQ10xxx, Jx, J opposite where slam is really poor on a trump lead (and not much better on other leads).

I would not bid 3♥ with this hand.
Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2015-July-21, 04:28, said:

I would not bid 3♥ with this hand.
Rainer Herrmann

What would you bid ?

[rhm]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-July-21, 04:48, said:

What would you bid ?

When LHO makes a weak jump and I have length with a likely positional double stop in this suit I give strong consideration to Hamman's rule.
Granted 3NT is not completely ruled out by bidding 3♥ and 4♥ could be better, but I bet against it.
It is also important to tell partner that you have wasted values in spades.

Rainer Herrmann

[PhilKing]

Anyway, it's pretty clear to cue and give up if partner can't bid 5♣.

4NT is absolutely crackers.

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2015-July-21, 04:54, said:

When LHO makes a weak jump and I have length with a likely positional double stop in this suit I give strong consideration to Hamman's rule.
Granted 3NT is not completely ruled out by bidding 3♥ and 4♥ could be better, but I bet against it.
It is also important to tell partner that you have wasted values in spades.

Rainer Herrmann

Too much bitter experience of LHO leading a club and losing 6 clubs and 3 spades with partner having ♦AKQxx(x) and ♥Kx with Qxx or less in clubs. If I have 6 hearts regardless of the rest of the hand I will bid 3♥.

[ggwhiz]

PhilKing, on 2015-July-21, 05:12, said:

Anyway, it's pretty clear to cue and give up if partner can't bid 5♣.

4NT is absolutely crackers.

And I can't begin to guess my sliminess until I get a response to a 4♠ cue.

[rhm]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-July-21, 06:15, said:

Too much bitter experience of LHO leading a club and losing 6 clubs and 3 spades with partner having ♦AKQxx(x) and ♥Kx with Qxx or less in clubs. If I have 6 hearts regardless of the rest of the hand I will bid 3♥.

I have gone down in 3NT but also in 4♥.
I do not find it less bitter going down in 4♥ when 3NT makes than the other way round.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2015-July-21, 11:44, said:

I have gone down in 3NT but also in 4♥.
I do not find it less bitter going down in 4♥ when 3NT makes than the other way round.

Rainer Herrmann

4♥ and/or 5♦ may well be cold

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and even if it isn't, going 1 down rather than 4 or 5 is usually beneficial to your score.

If you bid 3♥, partner can make or pass the decision, 3♠ would ask for a stop but at least he knows you have 6 hearts.

[gszes]

LOTS of problems here. IMHO it began with the 3d bid rather than a neg x. Those dia sure look nice but we are eating up a ton of space with no clear direction. If we had begun with neg x we can always cue bid later but we need to find 3n (if p is min) if that is the right contract and then we can worry about slam later if we decide 3n is not right. There is a HUGE difference btn a GF 2d bid and GF 3d bid and that difference is exploration space. The opps partially jammed the bidding and then we further jammed the bidding. Here we sit at 4d and really have only a slight clue about what p actually has.

[mgoetze]

gszes, on 2015-July-21, 14:28, said:

LOTS of problems here. IMHO it began with the 3d bid rather than a neg x. Those dia sure look nice but we are eating up a ton of space with no clear direction. If we had begun with neg x we can always cue bid later but we need to find 3n (if p is min) if that is the right contract and then we can worry about slam later if we decide 3n is not right.

Eh, what can I say, I disagree. There is no way I'll ever be able to catch up and give partner a reasonably complete picture of my hand if I start with double, and I have enough strength that I'm not worried about stopping in 3NT... if 3NT is the right contract then 4NT should be close enough. I mean, if you're not going to bid 3♦ on this hand, what hand ARE you ever going to bid 3♦ with?