[ahydra]

IMPs

♠Ax ♥Kxx ♦AQx ♣AJ10xx

You're vul, they're not. They're playing a 4cM weak NT system.

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Am I a wimp for passing here as North?

ahydra

[eagles123]

I think so - w is limited and east has shown a minimum so it's still very likely to be our hand - I mean imagine p with

Xxx xx kxxx kxxx

If we think pass is an option now we should've just bid 2c originally

[rmnka447]

I don't think so.

Give the opponents absolute minimum HCPs -- say 11 for opener and 5 for responder. Your looking at 18 which totals up to 34 HCP minimum outside of partner's hand. So at MOST partner can have 6 HCPs and will often hold less. Additionally, the bulk of the opponent's points are behind you which devalues your points some.

With the paucity of points in partner's hand, you're likely to be declaring any contract you bid out of your own hand.

There's no indication the opponent's have found a fit which reduces the likelihood your side has a fit.

Looking at red pockets, this I think is one of those times when discretion is the better part of valor. Certainly, you'd like to compete, but you've got to pick and choose when to do so. If you step in now you might win a part score swing, but in the worst case you might go for a number. I'd find giving up a part score swing easier to explain than trying to justify stepping in here and going for a number versus an opponent's part score.

[ahydra]

A split vote so far... any further takers before I post the gory details?

ahydra

[StevenG]

I'm passing. Where are the spades?

[TMorris]

Pass for me too. If we can make something there is a decent chance they are off. There is not an obvious fit for them so it is not clear there will be one for us in which case they are in a good position to take a large number from us as we are vulnerable.

[WesleyC]

I'm not a fan of the first round double holding Kxx of hearts under the 1H opening and only a doubleton spade.

I favour a heavy 2C overcall which should at least encourage partner to act with a decent fit.

However, once you do start with a double and partner can't muster up a 2S bid, then I'm prepared to throw it away.

[wank]

partner seems to have at least 4 spades but hasn't bid so he won't have as much as 5 or 6 hcp. seems best to sell out to 2h then.

[ahydra]

Thanks all. I didn't think passing was too unreasonable and indeed it got all but one of the votes.

Opener had a 5620, responder 3145 with KQxxx clubs and out, and partner had Qxx Jxx Kxxx 98x or something very similar so 3NT just about scrapes in. At the other table responder passed (:/) then X from North and 1S from opener, passed back round to North who bid 1NT and South 3NT. Opener sac'd in 4HX, worryingly not converted to 4SX, and although we beat 2H by one trick it was 11 IMPs out.

ahydra

[helene_t]

I would have bid 2♣ before.

[phil_20686]

eagles123, on 2015-October-10, 07:25, said:

I think so - w is limited and east has shown a minimum so it's still very likely to be our hand - I mean imagine p with

Xxx xx kxxx kxxx

If we think pass is an option now we should've just bid 2c originally

Lol for passing over 2H with this? There is literally no way that with both minors and a hard 6 count you should pass here. The 2H is a limited bid so you know partner has options. What you actually bid here is up to you but I would bid 2N to show both minors.

[phil_20686]

I'd pass but I would have bid 2C before. Pretty worried about it going dble 3h 3s or something.

[gedikk]

I would use the orthodox approach with a double over 1NT to show 15(even 16)+, allowing for eventual penalty. Moreover, 1NT is passable. 2♣ overcall is much vaguer than X in terms of hcp. Bidding after 2♥ is much tougher due to ♠ doubleton and ♥K on-side, i.e. pass is justified.

[jogs]

ahydra, on 2015-October-11, 14:44, said:

Thanks all. I didn't think passing was too unreasonable and indeed it got all but one of the votes.

Opener had a 5620, responder 3145 with KQxxx clubs and out, and partner had Qxx Jxx Kxxx 98x or something very similar so 3NT just about scrapes in. At the other table responder passed (:/) then X from North and 1S from opener, passed back round to North who bid 1NT and South 3NT. Opener sac'd in 4HX, worryingly not converted to 4SX, and although we beat 2H by one trick it was 11 IMPs out.

ahydra

On your auction, how would you ever find 3NT? The 1NT bid(not found by your teammates) by RHO screwed you.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

The best you can expect is a 5 card spade suit with partner, and it is
not clear you will go plus even than.
Assuming he has a 5 carder, he would most likely have bid it with an Ace,
he should ig he had a 6 carder.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Double is ok, I prefer it to 2C