[mgoetze]

Reisinger semifinals, you are playing RM Precision and it goes

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Double, 2♣, other?

[WesleyC]

Looks like an automatic double to me.

[wank]

yes double looks entirely obvious. i'd go so far as to say it would be suspicious if a non-double worked too well.

i suppose the only bid i wouldn't criticise too much is 1nt - considering it's BAM you don't want to end up in a 43 major fit or perhaps clubs if partner has something in diamonds. you'll still get to a 53 major fit via a transfer. that's obviously a gamble (and probably not a good one) but a gamble with a clear upside.

[cherdano]

It's quite strange, I have often kibitzed Meckstroth, and he just seems to get lucky more often than others, both in the bidding and in the play of the hand.

[wank]

 cherdano, on 2015-December-06, 05:01, said:

It's quite strange, I have often kibitzed Meckstroth, and he just seems to get lucky more often than others, both in the bidding and in the play of the hand.

strange indeed. no doubt someone is studying videos and play records so we can learn how to copy the great man's technique.

[gnasher]

 wank, on 2015-December-06, 02:39, said:

yes double looks entirely obvious. i'd go so far as to say it would be suspicious if a non-double worked too well.

i suppose the only bid i wouldn't criticise too much is 1nt - considering it's BAM you don't want to end up in a 43 major fit or perhaps clubs if partner has something in diamonds. you'll still get to a 53 major fit via a transfer. that's obviously a gamble (and probably not a good one) but a gamble with a clear upside.

Another problem with double is that it will be hard to show our extra values after partner bids 1M.

In fact, what is the upside of double? Even opposite Qxxx xxx xxxx Ax or Axx Jxxx xxx xxx INT is a good place to play.

I think I've talked myself into a 1NT overcall.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2015-December-06, 06:38

[Jinksy]

What extra values do we want to show? If P can't muster more than 1M, I doubt this nasty 17 count will give such a good play for game that we lose much in expectation by playing at the 1-level.

[mgoetze]

I guess I just love overcalling 2♣ over 1♦ too much and always talk myself into thinking it's an option. Alright, the auction continues

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WWMD?

[cherdano]

 cherdano, on 2015-December-06, 05:01, said:

It's quite strange, I have often kibitzed Meckstroth, and he just seems to get lucky more often than others, both in the bidding and in the play of the hand.

I guess, this being the internets, I should clarify that I was sarcastically pointing out that the action chosen by a good player might work out more often than the action chosen by a lesser player.

[johnu]

I don't know what Meckstroth bid (1NT?) but maybe it's the case that you would have been unlucky.

[cherdano]

 mgoetze, on 2015-December-06, 07:47, said:

I guess I just love overcalling 2♣ over 1♦ too much and always talk myself into thinking it's an option.

I think it's usually wrong to bid 2♣ with 3=3=2=5. But here it seems particularly awful. It is likely to be our hand, it is BAM, and clubs is quite unlikely to be our highest-scoring strain.

[nige1]

 mgoetze, on 2015-December-05, 21:13, said:

Reisinger semifinals, you are playing RM Precision and it goes

Double, 2♣, other ?

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Over 1♦ I rank

• Double. T/O. Fairly descriptive but a bit heavy and lacking in the majors.
• 2♣ = NAT. but this is a poor suit.
• 1N = NAT? but no ♦ stop. Double doesn't preclude a notrump contract If partner has a ♦ stop.
• Pass = NAT. but might be hard to catch up later.

[eagles123]

 mgoetze, on 2015-December-06, 07:47, said:

I guess I just love overcalling 2♣ over 1♦ too much and always talk myself into thinking it's an option. Alright, the auction continues

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WWMD?

Now I would pass, interested to see what Meck did

[Fluffy]

I don't know what preemptive looks like on this context, but I would certainly pass over 3 spades.

[nige1]

 mgoetze, on 2015-December-06, 07:47, said:

I guess I just love overcalling 2♣ over 1♦ too much
and always talk myself into thinking it's an option.
Alright, the auction continues
WWMD?

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I rank

• 4♥ = NAT. You might have bid this a round earlier. Partner pre-empted on a knave-high suit.
• Double = PEN. BAM is super-MPs. And partner would probaly have made 3♥.
• Pass = NAT. Discretion might be the better part of valour.

[WesleyC]

I think "Preemptive" too wide a description for anyone to provide meaningful feedback.

Meckstroth would have a huge amount more information than that about what hand types are consistent with a 3H bid.

[mgoetze]

Meck transferred to 4♠ and doubled it.

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As you can see, declarer had 11 tricks available at one point but chose to take only 9. Lucky?

[gnasher]

I don't think there's anything lucky about talking declarer into going down in a makeable game.

[Zelandakh]

 gnasher, on 2015-December-07, 06:42, said:

I don't think there's anything lucky about talking declarer into going down in a makeable game.

Perhaps some luck in pushing the opps into a makeable game and having them make a mistake during the play to go down though.

[PhantomSac]

Inducing mistakes is a skill not luck