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#1 User is offline   Bbradley62 

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Posted 2016-January-17, 10:12

Ick. I don't know what should happen, but...

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Posted 2016-January-17, 17:25

View PostBbradley62, on 2016-January-17, 10:12, said:

Ick. I don't know what should happen, but...



I once had an agreement with a regular partner that 4C would show something like this - a max NT with a D fit and short S. But obviously that is not the explanation you were given. I am used to most of GIB's eccentricities by now, but this is a new one.
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Posted 2016-January-17, 19:09

View Postiandayre, on 2016-January-17, 17:25, said:

I once had an agreement with a regular partner that 4C would show something like this - a max NT with a D fit and short S. But obviously that is not the explanation you were given. I am used to most of GIB's eccentricities by now, but this is a new one.


Would not 3NT be better than 4 to show this hand?

Why 6-11 HCP for 1NT? Is 2/1 GF being played?
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Posted 2016-January-18, 08:19

View PostVampyr, on 2016-January-17, 19:09, said:

Why 6-11 HCP for 1NT? Is 2/1 GF being played?

Yes, GIB 2/1 since this is a GIB hand (with human sitting South) and hence, in the GIB forum. GIB attempts to include strength limits on bid descriptions; with North being a passed hand I might have said 5-11HCP, but it's hardly worth quibbling.
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Posted 2016-January-18, 17:16

View PostVampyr, on 2016-January-17, 19:09, said:

Would not 3NT be better than 4 to show this hand?

Why 6-11 HCP for 1NT? Is 2/1 GF being played?


Yes, we are talking about GIB tournaments. You play with them, you use their system. Not to imply I am against 2/1, it's my personal choice also.
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Posted 2016-January-19, 23:22

View PostVampyr, on 2016-January-17, 19:09, said:

Would not 3NT be better than 4 to show this hand?

Why 6-11 HCP for 1NT? Is 2/1 GF being played?

I'd say 3NT is insane- guaranteed down. The trouble is how little vaguely 2 is defined- it needs 3 diamonds and not 6 spades and no more strength than an opening hand not even limiting the strength. The whole forcing 1NT is pretty worthless- doesn't help find a better contract.
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Posted 2016-January-20, 04:48

View PostVampyr, on 2016-January-17, 19:09, said:

Would not 3NT be better than 4 to show this hand?

Yes but you need 3NT as a natural bid. Alas, by an unpassed hand. Here, responder is a passed hand, so 3NT can hardly show a balanced hand with the values to bid 3NT, and also 3 can't be natural here so you have plenty of options.

I can sorta understand this 4 bid, though. Too strong for 4 but 5 shows 5-card support because 2 could be a 3-card suit. I am not defending it, of course 4 is a bad bid if it doesn't promise diamond support. Just saying that I can understand it. GIB often makes bizare bids with tweener hands in a desperate attempt to show its overall strength accurately, and this situation is similar.
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Posted 2016-January-20, 11:36

To me to show diamond raise should bid 3. As passed hand 1nt should deny invitational with 6H, those hands can bid 2H over 1S.

And hands with invitational just clubs should be able to bid 1s-3c or 1s-2nt depending on agreements if Drury is in effect.
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