This contract needs to be improved.
#21
Posted 2016-May-10, 21:02
You are still going down in 2C on the first of the above 2 hands. 3 rounds of Spades then 3 rounds of Hearts. If declarer ruffs trick 6 it promotes East's trump. So by running you have still just converted a plus into a minus.
I feel that Lycier is equating the priorities for running with the scenario where your own 1N opener is doubled although I normally (away from GIB) play in weak NT fields which again changes the dynamics. Who really plays pen X v strong NT in real life?
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#22
Posted 2016-May-10, 23:03
1eyedjack, on 2016-May-10, 21:02, said:
You are still going down in 2C on the first of the above 2 hands. 3 rounds of Spades then 3 rounds of Hearts. If declarer ruffs trick 6 it promotes East's trump. So by running you have still just converted a plus into a minus.
I feel that Lycier is equating the priorities for running with the scenario where your own 1N opener is doubled although I normally (away from GIB) play in weak NT fields which again changes the dynamics. Who really plays pen X v strong NT in real life?
Yes and No.
It silly me !!! now I got it.
The real definition of this double is the doubler have ability to make with tricks or overwhelming power, so partner is requested to pass.
Then this should show Gib CC is pretty correct because only especially when with 5 cards minor suit in the hand, partner can be able to decide escaping to a safty minor contract, or it would rather pass whatever its result is good or bad.
Many thanks to you for your reminder.
#23
Posted 2016-May-11, 06:59
Here I got a evidence hand for today.
Some top expert opinion is not equal to the truth.
#24
Posted 2016-May-11, 07:06
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 06:59, said:
Here I got a evidence hand for today.
Some top expert opinion is not equal to the truth.
Which of your points do you maintain that this hand supports?
Earlier you wanted to pull the penalty double, and the other contributors say no, you should leave the penalty double in. On this hand, pulling the double converted a positive result into a negative result. If anything this tends to suggest leaving the double in.
Not that I think that anyone in their right mind would pass the double with North, but the result is hardly a ringing endorsement of bidding.
Incidentally, 2D??? Seriously??? *THAT* is worthy of a bit of attention by the programmers, I think.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#25
Posted 2016-May-11, 08:06
I have played with Gibs over 100,000 hands, the probability of such hand is 1/10,000-15,000. And I would tell you the fact many doubler only with 16+hcp in the balanced hand makes a penalty, but opps could make its 1nt contract. It's not a rare thing, young Englishman.
If this double is to make with tricks or very strong power, partner must pass in any situation.
I found many times that you are very easy to get excitable, it shows you are not suitable for competition of the bridge game in fact.
#26
Posted 2016-May-11, 08:44
#27
Posted 2016-May-11, 11:17
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 08:06, said:
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 08:06, said:
Incidentally, if the quoted hand is so rare that it would be meaningless to extrapolate a policy from it, why did you bother to introduce it?
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 08:06, said:
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 08:06, said:
lycier, on 2016-May-11, 08:06, said:
Yourself? You are welcome.
Me? Fortunately for me I happen to be in the privileged position of having a wealth of personal experience in competitive bridge on which to draw, and faced with the choice of forming an opinion based on that experience on the one hand, or on the other hand on the opinion of someone whose judgement I value in ever decreasing amounts with the effluxion of time, I will go with personal experience every time.
The other readers of this thread? Oddly enough I don't feel threatened.
I tend to get a warm feeling when an opposing advocate does not answer the question asked (presumably because there is no answer) and instead resorts to ad hominem attacks. It basically means, buddy, that you lose.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#29
Posted 2016-May-11, 13:14
johnu, on 2016-May-11, 12:12, said:
Yeah, I know you are joking. But the subsequent 3H bid is not described as canapé: 4+H and 5+D
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#30
Posted 2016-May-11, 14:52
1eyedjack, on 2016-May-11, 11:17, said:
Yourself? You are welcome.
Me? Fortunately for me I happen to be in the privileged position of having a wealth of personal experience in competitive bridge on which to draw, and faced with the choice of forming an opinion based on that experience on the one hand, or on the other hand on the opinion of someone whose judgement I value in ever decreasing amounts with the effluxion of time, I will go with personal experience every time.
The other readers of this thread? Oddly enough I don't feel threatened.
I tend to get a warm feeling when an opposing advocate does not answer the question asked (presumably because there is no answer) and instead resorts to ad hominem attacks. It basically means, buddy, that you lose.
I feel like I'm not appropriate for my last reply words,so I would say sorry very much to you.
#31
Posted 2016-May-11, 15:10
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq