[VikingMags]

Hi can anyone tell me if this law is open for justification?

WBF SYSTEMS POLICY 2002
2.2 HUM Systems
c) By partnership agreement an opening bid at the one level may be made
with values a king or more below average strength.

Example

A109xx
K109x
109xx
Void

Are you allowed to open 1S in a tourney were HUM is forbidden?

[helene_t]

The question is not if you can open that hand (you can), but if you can have the agreement to open it.

I think it is ok. For some reason the writers of the definition have chosen not to make explicit reference to walrus points. So you are not allowed to open 7-counts systematically, but on the other and, if you think this hand is worth more than 7 points (and the TD doesn't deem that to be absurd) then you can do.

[VikingMags]

 helene_t, on 2016-July-31, 14:46, said:

The question is not if you can open that hand (you can), but if you can have the agreement to open it.

I have read that the first time you open with 3 hcp 1sp it's already defined a partnership agreement, and already defiened as a HUM, maybe this is missinformation.
I mean its not allowed as a psyche.


By the way The bidding went on P-P-1S-1N and 2D! on a hand passed with AJ10 7th and anoter Ace, alternatively penalty X? But I guess he used to this 3rd seat openings, I would at least consider penalty X(suggestion)

[Trinidad]

This seems to be more of a disclosure problem than a systems problem.

Suppose that their convention card says about 3rd seat openings: "8-15 HCP" and about 1st seat openings "12-17", would you then have objected to the 3rd seat opening? Or to the 2♦ response (instead of the X)? I don't think so.

However, if the CC says that all openings are 12+, then the 2♦ response is somewhat odd (though the 2♦ bidder may have thought/hoped that the auction won't stop, so that he would be able to make a rebid).

Rik

[blackshoe]

If a 1♠ opening shows spades, the laws do not permit banning psyching it.

[barmar]

 VikingMags, on 2016-August-01, 04:02, said:

I have read that the first time you open with 3 hcp 1sp it's already defined a partnership agreement, and already defiened as a HUM, maybe this is missinformation.
I mean its not allowed as a psyche.

Doing something one time does not create an implicit agreement. A psych doesn't become an agreement unless you do it frequently enough with that partner that he's likely to expect it more than the opponents would, and might compensate for the possibility in his bidding.

[johnu]

 barmar, on 2016-August-01, 11:49, said:

Doing something one time does not create an implicit agreement. A psych doesn't become an agreement unless you do it frequently enough with that partner that he's likely to expect it more than the opponents would, and might compensate for the possibility in his bidding.

A lot of pairs seem to have a freakishly large number of first time deviations. It's almost like they forgot what happened the last time the situation came up.

[Manastorm]

I am wondering are we allowed to play bridge the way GIB plays - without memory of previous events.

[hrothgar]

 VikingMags, on 2016-August-01, 04:02, said:

I have read that the first time you open with 3 hcp 1sp it's already defined a partnership agreement, and already defiened as a HUM, maybe this is missinformation.
I mean its not allowed as a psyche.

People lie a lot.

For many years, folks in ACBL management attempted to suppress psyches.
One of the ways that they did so was actively promulgating erroneous information that a single incident of a psyche established a concealed partnership understanding.

Senior directors would not enforce this idiocy, but a lot of the hoi polloi got swept up in the confusion...