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What is the range for 2♣ opposite the passout seat X and how much does 3♥ show and is it forcing ?
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Posted 2017-January-08, 18:37
What is the range for 2♣ opposite the passout seat X and how much does 3♥ show and is it forcing ?
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Posted 2017-January-08, 20:13
Of course it is forcing,
In fact 3♥ bidder has 5+ hearts imo, Probably a hand that was planning to bid hearts after double. With only 4 cards ♥ and a good hand he could also cue.
About 2 ♣, whatever your upper range is for 2♦ or ♥ or ♠ bids 2 ♣ starts from there and up. Of course the meaning of your 3x responses also matter here since it may not be optimal to use them as 6 carder very weak hands in this position as it is commonly used in other positions. So usually it is 12+ but I think you can do it with 4-4 majors and 10+ if you like your spots.
In fact 3♥ bidder has 5+ hearts imo, Probably a hand that was planning to bid hearts after double. With only 4 cards ♥ and a good hand he could also cue.
About 2 ♣, whatever your upper range is for 2♦ or ♥ or ♠ bids 2 ♣ starts from there and up. Of course the meaning of your 3x responses also matter here since it may not be optimal to use them as 6 carder very weak hands in this position as it is commonly used in other positions. So usually it is 12+ but I think you can do it with 4-4 majors and 10+ if you like your spots.
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Posted 2017-January-08, 21:21
...Adding that 2♣ could be on as few as 8 working HCP with 2 4-card majors if you play it is forcing to a fit at the 3 level. If advancer has an opening hand, then they are short in ♦ and hold ♣, otherwise they would have doubled directly. 3♥ invites game with a minimum opener. I am not aware of anyone playing 2♣ as natural in this auction.
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Posted 2017-January-09, 04:15
With the last partner that I had an explicit agreement about this, it showed a GOSH. We have had some good threads over the years about auctions after a double and cue response and one thing that has become clear is that the follow-ups depend heavily on the meaning of the cue. Specifically, if 2♥ is not forcing, and some do play it that way, then 3♥ has to work harder than if 2♣ is forcing to suit agreement (or game).
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Posted 2017-January-09, 04:55
Zelandakh, on 2017-January-09, 04:15, said:
With the last partner that I had an explicit agreement about this, it showed a GOSH. We have had some good threads over the years about auctions after a double and cue response and one thing that has become clear is that the follow-ups depend heavily on the meaning of the cue. Specifically, if 2♥ is not forcing, and some do play it that way, then 3♥ has to work harder than if 2♣ is forcing to suit agreement (or game).
Exactly, 2♥ is NF for us.
Also nobody has taken on the fact that the passout seat X can be very substandard if short in opener's suit, hence 2♣ could have VERY different requirements to opposite a second seat X but not sure whether it should.
Don't 2/3/4♥ show GOSHs of various strengths ?
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