IMPs. It seems hard to count 9 tricks, but will you pass?
19 count opposite a preempt
#2
Posted 2017-August-28, 16:05
#3
Posted 2017-August-28, 16:09
non-vul i'd just pass, not least because partner's diamond suit will often be too bad to make 5d even with a singleton spade.
passing marginal hands is good strategy because if lho protects you're delighted.
#4
Posted 2017-August-28, 16:25
smerriman, on 2017-August-28, 15:51, said:
Hopefully I've already passed in tempo!
#6
Posted 2017-August-28, 20:02
#7
Posted 2017-August-28, 20:30
gszes, on 2017-August-28, 20:02, said:
Jxx♠ A♦ and round suit void/singleton/even doubleton
No way to find out and play in a contract that has chance of making if not 3S.
People I play against balance aggressively, so think pass can't be horrible.
#8
Posted 2017-August-29, 01:40
rmnka447, on 2017-August-28, 18:48, said:
Then give him an upvote!
Definitely passing, although I think that this wasn't posted as a problem unless bidding was right on the actual hand.
#9
Posted 2017-August-29, 02:19
Vampyr, on 2017-August-29, 01:40, said:
Nope, passing is correct. I knew it probably would be, but I ignored myself and bid 3NT anyway Partner had exactly what you'd expect to make the contract hopeless:
xx
xxx
KQJxxxx
x
#10
Posted 2017-August-29, 02:20
Rule #2 This applies to pre-empts, too.
Yes, partner could have the perfect hand for 4♠, 5♦ or 3NT to make but given how flaky 3 level minor suit pre-empts are these days, it's a reluctant pass from me too.
#11
Posted 2017-August-29, 02:53
The_Badger, on 2017-August-29, 02:20, said:
Rule #2 This applies to pre-empts, too.
Yes, partner could have the perfect hand for 4♠, 5♦ or 3NT to make but given how flaky 3 level minor suit pre-empts are these days, it's a reluctant pass from me too.
If you read the tip on the auction, it looks like this preempt is not flaky, but game looks unlikely. You could be making anywhere between 1 and 7 here easily with no way of knowing the right spot.
My worry from the description is that this is a robot not a human and their 3♦ will include some hands with >7♦ that a human might open more than 3 with or a lot of shape (void, x, AKxxxxx, Qxxxx would meet the criteria listed in the tip) that a human might open 1.
Opposite a human I'd pass, opposite a robot, still thinking.
#12
Posted 2017-August-29, 03:09
Cyberyeti, on 2017-August-29, 02:53, said:
My worry from the description is that this is a robot not a human and their 3♦ will include some hands with >7♦ that a human might open more than 3 with or a lot of shape (void, x, AKxxxxx, Qxxxx would meet the criteria listed in the tip) that a human might open 1.
Opposite a human I'd pass, opposite a robot, still thinking.
I don't think the tips says preempt isn't flaky.
Even with this max preempt if it doesn't have Q♣ 9 tricks in 3N looks hard.
If I had more diamonds I would take a shot with less hcp. With singleton you need more or need to find responder with perfect hand.
#13
Posted 2017-August-29, 04:17
steve2005, on 2017-August-29, 03:09, said:
Even with this max preempt if it doesn't have Q♣ 9 tricks in 3N looks hard.
If I had more diamonds I would take a shot with less hcp. With singleton you need more or need to find responder with perfect hand.
5-9 and a 7+ card suit is a lot better than I might have ...
3N is actually the least likely game to make (J10(x), x(x), AKxxxxx, xx would seem to be pretty solid without Q♣), but you can't probe effectively or safely for KJx, x, Axxxxxx, xx or x, xxx, KQJ10xxx, xx or void, xx, A?xxxxx, Q108x. I'd suggest 5♦ is most likely but still a long shot.
#14
Posted 2017-August-29, 08:03
No, I am not passing - 3NT.
Partner is allowed to have AKJxxxx, diamonds 32, finesse working.
And there are other holdings, giving me a 2nd entry to the hand.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#16
Posted 2017-August-29, 11:39
1) What suit quality can you depend on from your dear partner?
2) What's the likelihood of finding an entry?
I have posted a new constraint file so that partnerships can test their knowledge of each other rather then waiting to guess this at the table.
See 3NT after partner's preempt
And by all means, do try this at home.
#18
Posted 2017-August-29, 13:05
3nt is the riskiest of these choices. Unless North has a second entry to hand, that long suit is likely to be useless.
5!d is very likely to make - with a long !s suit missing AK, North is likely to be short and will be able to trump. 6 trump tricks and 5 side tricks and it makes.
With my partners, I'd be tempted to bid 5!c showing control and slam interest. With min, partner can bid 5!d signoff. With !s stop, we probably have 6.
#19
Posted 2017-August-29, 13:11
#20
Posted 2017-August-29, 13:20
North spade count probability:
0: 9.2%
1: 31.4%
2: 36.7%
3: 18.3%
4: 4.0%
5: 0.4%
6: 0.01%