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Posted 2018-May-29, 05:53


IMPs.

You lead the ace of clubs against what looks like a normal game and partner plays the 4, normal attitude. What now?
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Posted 2018-May-29, 07:28

It looks normal to me to switch to the Q. Am I getting end-played if I do that?
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Posted 2018-May-29, 07:34

View PostTramticket, on 2018-May-29, 07:28, said:

It looks normal to me to switch to the Q. Am I getting end-played if I do that?


What I was wondering about was declarer having AKQxxx, AQx, x, Qxx and now you need partner to win the diamond and play a club, if you lead the Q he will duck.

Unfortunately I can't find something guaranteed to work against both this and 10x/Qx in the minors
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Posted 2018-May-29, 08:39

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-May-29, 07:34, said:

What I was wondering about was declarer having AKQxxx, AQx, x, Qxx and now you need partner to win the diamond and play a club, if you lead the Q he will duck.

Unfortunately I can't find something guaranteed to work against both this and 10x/Qx in the minors

If you went back in your Tardis and led the king of clubs, partner will again play the four, normal count. Your go now, and I will allow you the UI from the previous Doctor that partner does not have the queen of clubs.
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Posted 2018-May-29, 08:55

View Postlamford, on 2018-May-29, 08:39, said:

If you went back in your Tardis and led the king of clubs, partner will again play the four, normal count. Your go now, and I will allow you the UI from the previous Doctor that partner does not have the queen of clubs.


So now you play the J?
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Posted 2018-May-30, 05:44

View PostTramticket, on 2018-May-29, 08:55, said:

So now you play the J?

No, you have to just exit with a major card, as declarer has AKQxx Axx A7 Qxx and if you switch to a high diamond, declarer ducks in both hands. If you switch to a low diamond declarer captures the eight with the ace and then leads the 7 and ducks if you play the jack or queen, or rises if you don't. Unfortunately the declarer was up to that and I was not up to finding the major suit exit.

[corrected changing 8 to 7 - yes it is crucial!]
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Posted 2018-May-30, 06:47

View Postlamford, on 2018-May-30, 05:44, said:

No, you have to just exit with a major card, as declarer has AKQxx Axx A8 Qxx and if you switch to a high diamond, declarer ducks in both hands. If you switch to a low diamond declarer captures the ten with the ace and then leads the 8 and ducks when you cover perforce. Unfortunately the declarer was up to that and I was not up to finding the major suit exit.


I'd pay out to that, looks more like a game try than a 4 bid to me

But can't declarer still make by winning a spade lead on the deck and playing a diamond towards the 8 ?
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Posted 2018-May-30, 08:24

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-May-30, 06:47, said:

I'd pay out to that, looks more like a game try than a 4 bid to me

But can't declarer still make by winning a spade lead on the deck and playing a diamond towards the 8 ?

Sorry it was A7 doubleton; mea culpa. And now when declarer wins the trump in dummy and plays a diamond, partner has to put in the eight. If you switch to a top diamond, declarer ducks in both hands. If you switch to a low diamond, declarer captures the eight with the ace and leads the seven, and you are caught in a Morton Fork. Yes, I agree that with only A7 doubleton it is only worth a game try. With A8 doubleton there would be no defence, so bidding game is reasonable!
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Posted 2018-May-30, 09:13

View Postlamford, on 2018-May-30, 08:24, said:

Yes, I agree that with only A7 doubleton it is only worth a game try. With A8 doubleton there would be no defence, so bidding game is reasonable!


With AT you drive to slam? :)
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Posted 2018-May-30, 09:22

View Postlamford, on 2018-May-30, 08:24, said:

Sorry it was A7 doubleton; mea culpa. And now when declarer wins the trump in dummy and plays a diamond, partner has to put in the eight. If you switch to a top diamond, declarer ducks in both hands. If you switch to a low diamond, declarer captures the eight with the ace and leads the seven, and you are caught in a Morton Fork. Yes, I agree that with only A7 doubleton it is only worth a game try. With A8 doubleton there would be no defence, so bidding game is reasonable!


Not only does partner have to play the 8, you have to unblock a top one
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Posted 2018-May-31, 15:17

View PostTramticket, on 2018-May-30, 09:13, said:

With AT you drive to slam? :)

And with A9 you use last train ...
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