NS vulnerable. East dealer. Opponents don't interfere.
How should this be bidden?
#2
Posted 2018-November-28, 10:51
We would bid:
1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠(4SF, F1 for us)-3♣-3N
#3
Posted 2018-November-28, 10:53
Before opening you should always prepare a suitable rebid (or pass) whatever partner (or the opponents for that matter) throw at you. I'm not 100% keen on opening 1NT with 5-4-2-2 shape, though this hand is an exception to the rule. It's not a great hand generally, but it just about makes a 1NT opening on the K&R evaluator coming out at 15.00 exactly. (It might have 16 HCPs but it comes out less due to the awkward doubletons.)
#4
Posted 2018-November-28, 10:54
1NT
2♣ 2♥
3NT P
More traditional bidding is still going to lead you to the same place.
Slam seeking in NT or clubs (not that there's any great reason) is going to find two missing Aces and stop in NT.
#5
Posted 2018-November-28, 11:08
The_Badger, on 2018-November-28, 10:53, said:
Before opening you should always prepare a suitable rebid (or pass) whatever partner (or the opponents for that matter) throw at you. I'm not 100% keen on opening 1NT with 5-4-2-2 shape, though this hand is an exception to the rule. It's not a great hand generally, but it just about makes a 1NT opening on the K&R evaluator coming out at 15.00 exactly. (It might have 16 HCPs but it comes out less due to the awkward doubletons.)
Same for me.
#6
Posted 2018-November-28, 12:43
What happened: 1Club - 1Diamond - 1Heart - 1Spade - 1NT - all Pass.
(My partner doesn't play SAYC, but a system that says: with more 4--Card suits, the lowest first.)
#7
Posted 2018-November-28, 13:32
alphred, on 2018-November-28, 12:43, said:
What happened: 1Club - 1Diamond - 1Heart - 1Spade - 1NT - all Pass.
(My partner doesn't play SAYC, but a system that says: with more 4--Card suits, the lowest first.)
Was 1♠ natural or 4th suit ?
1N is a 12 count in my book, not a 16 count unless you play 1♠ 4SF FG.
#8
Posted 2018-November-28, 13:46
#10
Posted 2018-November-29, 12:19
only question is opening bid the hand is not good enough to open 1 club and reverse to 2 hearts, and while some people have issues about opening 1nt with 2 doubletons,with honors in both of them this is a minor deviation and I think a smaller lie than opening 1c (you will never recover to tell partnew your hand strength)
#11
Posted 2018-November-29, 17:56
(Reversing with fewer than 17 HCP is uncommon - but the true test of a reverse is whether you can handle all rebids by partner - and you cannot with this hand - 2S would be embarrassing since you don't have enough to bid 2NT if partner has scraped up a 1S response on an ugly 6 HCP).
So I avoid the headache by making an off-shape 1NT opening bid. After that, West will/should explore for a major and, when no major suit fit is found, should settle for 3NT.
1N - 2C, 2H - 3N, Pass seems like a typical auction.
#12
Posted 2018-November-29, 22:25
#13
Posted 2018-December-02, 02:48
alphred, on 2018-November-28, 12:43, said:
What happened: 1Club - 1Diamond - 1Heart - 1Spade - 1NT - all Pass.
(My partner doesn't play SAYC, but a system that says: with more 4--Card suits, the lowest first.)
All the blame to East who has a clear 2NT bid at his 3rd turn (shows 16-17 HCP); with more rebid 3NT, with less 1NT. West was right to pass 1NT.
#14
Posted 2018-December-02, 02:48
alphred, on 2018-November-28, 12:43, said:
What happened: 1Club - 1Diamond - 1Heart - 1Spade - 1NT - all Pass.
(My partner doesn't play SAYC, but a system that says: with more 4--Card suits, the lowest first.)
All the blame to East who has a clear 2NT bid at his 3rd turn (shows 16-17 HCP in a natural system); with more rebid 3NT, with less 1NT. West was right to pass 1NT.
It's surprising how often players are lost when the book bids end.
As others said, it's probably best to open 1NT to avoid a difficult rebid over a 1!s response.