[pescetom]

MP

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NS remain silent throughout.
How would the auction go (realistically) in your main partnership?

[AL78]

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[jillybean]

AL78, on 2023-May-12, 10:51, said:

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ditto

[mikeh]

In my two regular partnerships, we use a 2H opener to show 6 hearts and 10-13 hcp, which makes east’s actions automatic. 1H then 2H shows 14+…we do upgrade out of 2H with good 13 counts so it’s more accurate to say that 2H shows a good 13-16. The main point being that we are not under any pressure to rebid 3H on this hand.

I think this might have been a more interesting problem had you given only the east hand with the start of 1H 1S

East has three plausible rebids in a ‘normal’ 2/1 structure but it’s difficult to see anyone opting for either 2C or 3H when they can see how unsuccessful those actions would be.

I’d never rebid 2C. Kxxx is not a suit I want to introduce compared to rebidding KQ10xxx. Not at any form of scoring.

Meanwhile, absent seeing partner’s hand and without the comfort of being able to rebid 2H with as much as a mediocre 16, I can well see rebidding 3H if red at imps. At mps, however,I’d never jump…while we may miss a decent game by bidding 2H, 3H will often engender a minus either because we’re already too high or because partner pushes to a bad contract. Bad games are ok red at imps, but not at any other form of scoring or vulnerability.

[pescetom]

mikeh, on 2023-May-12, 12:50, said:

I think this might have been a more interesting problem had you given only the east hand with the start of 1H 1S

I agree and did just that, on that other site
But I also wanted to quick forward to what happens after the three options.

[Cyberyeti]

I'm waiting for the other thread where somebody rebid 2♥ (or 3♥) and caught partner with xxxx, void, xxx, Axxxxx or similar.

[mikeh]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-May-12, 15:33, said:

I'm waiting for the other thread where somebody rebid 2♥ (or 3♥) and caught partner with xxxx, void, xxx, Axxxxx or similar.

Lol

I’ll pay to that highly improbable scenario

The best way to learn how to bid badly is to make up improbable hands that ‘justify’ the bid you want to make.

[Cyberyeti]

mikeh, on 2023-May-12, 16:12, said:

Lol

I’ll pay to that highly improbable scenario

The best way to learn how to bid badly is to make up improbable hands that ‘justify’ the bid you want to make.

It's just pretty routine in Acol to rebid 2♣ on this. Make it KQJ10xx/xxxx maybe you rebid 2♥.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-May-13, 02:03, said:

It's just pretty routine in Acol to rebid 2♣ on this. Make it KQJ10xx/xxxx maybe you rebid 2♥.

Playing 2/1 at MPs, my own feeling is that 2H is the best choice. But most of the players in my club were deeply steeped in 4 card majors until quite recently and are more likely to prefer 2C or even find it routine. All the same, I was surprised how many ended up in NT, from both sides too. I would have expected that even if it goes 1H 1S; 2C 2N; then some would now repeat hearts.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2023-May-13, 06:47, said:

Playing 2/1 at MPs, my own feeling is that 2H is the best choice. But most of the players in my club were deeply steeped in 4 card majors until quite recently and are more likely to prefer 2C or even find it routine. All the same, I was surprised how many ended up in NT, from both sides too. I would have expected that even if it goes 1H 1S; 2C 2N; then some would now repeat hearts.

Not sure 1♥-1♠-2♣-2N-3♥ isn't forcing, how do you bid a 16-17 count with that shape particularly if 3♣ is something else.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-May-13, 08:30, said:

Not sure 1♥-1♠-2♣-2N-3♥ isn't forcing

Would not occur to anyone around here as forcing, although it is ambiguous about strength (in part depending on whether this kind of hand would rebid 2♣ in the first place) and probably should be discussed.
I guess 1♥-1♠-2♣-2N-3♦ must be forcing and show something like the actual hand, but a bit stronger (enough to force to game opposite a natural 2NT invite). It's not a sequence that comes up often.

Cyberyeti, on 2023-May-13, 08:30, said:

how do you bid a 16-17 count with that shape particularly if 3♣ is something else.

1♥-1♠-3♣ is natural if the hand is worth it, we could also just suppress the clubs and rebid 3♥.

[pescetom]

I just saw the results of the poll of opener's rebid after 1♥-1♠ on that other site:

40% 2♣
60% 2♥

Closer than I imagined.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2023-May-13, 10:56, said:

Would not occur to anyone around here as forcing, although it is ambiguous about strength (in part depending on whether this kind of hand would rebid 2♣ in the first place) and probably should be discussed.
I guess 1♥-1♠-2♣-2N-3♦ must be forcing and show something like the actual hand, but a bit stronger (enough to force to game opposite a natural 2NT invite). It's not a sequence that comes up often.


1♥-1♠-3♣ is natural if the hand is worth it, we could also just suppress the clubs and rebid 3♥.

Isn't the 3♦ bid more like a 1534/1624/1525 with 2/3 small diamonds GF where 3N may not be best and not clear where to go ?

How do you bid say x, Qxxxxx, AQ, AKJx ?

3♣ is GF for many, and something else entirely for us (also a splinter or mini splinter for a few)

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-May-13, 11:58, said:

Isn't the 3♦ bid more like a 1534/1624/1525 with 2/3 small diamonds GF where 3N may not be best and not clear where to go ?

3♣ is GF for many, and something else entirely for us (also a splinter or mini splinter for a few)

I meant shape similar to present (1624) and strong enough to GF (but yes it would be better to have weaker diamonds).

By 3♣ natural I meant natural but GF, like much of if not all the world.

But the request of this post was how people would bid this in their main partnership, not about what people think are ideal agreements.
So far exactly three replies on target (thanks to them).

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2023-May-13, 12:48, said:

I meant shape similar to present (1624) and strong enough to GF (but yes it would be better to have weaker diamonds).

By 3♣ natural I meant natural but GF, like much of if not all the world.

But the request of this post was how people would bid this in their main partnership, not about what people think are ideal agreements.
So far exactly three replies on target.

We're right on the cusp between several auctions, depends how W values his hand, 1♥-1♠ or 1♥-2♦ are both possible, but 2♦ commits to 2♠ over 2♥

I suspect we're going overboard here, but 3♥ and 3N are both possible resting places.