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BPO-005C
#2
Posted 2005-September-20, 21:59
Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim.
I'm leading A♠, ♠.
#4 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-20, 22:50
pclayton, on Sep 20 2005, 10:59 PM, said:
Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim.
I'm leading A♠, ♠.
You mention your lead, what exactly do you mean X to mean (it seems you are implying penalty, but I'm not sure). Just curious.
#5
Posted 2005-September-20, 22:58
I voted for pass. I'm not proud of it, call me a chicken if you want to.
- hrothgar
#6
Posted 2005-September-20, 23:03
Jlall, on Sep 20 2005, 08:50 PM, said:
pclayton, on Sep 20 2005, 10:59 PM, said:
Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim.
I'm leading A♠, ♠.
You mention your lead, what exactly do you mean X to mean (it seems you are implying penalty, but I'm not sure). Just curious.
Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here.
#7 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-20, 23:05
pclayton, on Sep 21 2005, 12:03 AM, said:
yes I would say impossible given your t/o X.
#8
Posted 2005-September-20, 23:13
#9
Posted 2005-September-20, 23:54
X is a very close second choice. Excellent choice who like partner to make the last and losing choice where we can explain why x gave partner the only winning choice .
Pass for Math majors. .
#10
Posted 2005-September-21, 00:53
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#11
Posted 2005-September-21, 02:01
(To be serious: I think that double is extras, and the likely result of these doubles is to be left in.)
#12
Posted 2005-September-21, 03:44
#13
Posted 2005-September-21, 04:17
don't want to risk ulcers for 100 points
#14
Posted 2005-September-21, 04:37
#15
Posted 2005-September-21, 05:57
I'm too much of a coward to pass.
#16
Posted 2005-September-21, 06:09
I HATE the initial doubt. I strongly prefer a 1NT overcall. Yes my stopper is Ax, reducing my ability to hold up until the third round of Spades. Yes, I'm slightly light for the auction. Balanced against this, I only have 3 Hearts. More importantly, if the auction gets competitive, I'm going to be very poorly positioned to describe my hand.
Having decided to start with the imperfect double, I'm forced to pass. Any other action at this point in time, would be a gross distortion...
#17
Posted 2005-September-21, 08:17
Jlall, on Sep 21 2005, 06:05 AM, said:
pclayton, on Sep 21 2005, 12:03 AM, said:
yes I would say impossible given your t/o X.
The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction
1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X
which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me.
#18 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-21, 08:21
MickyB, on Sep 21 2005, 09:17 AM, said:
Jlall, on Sep 21 2005, 06:05 AM, said:
pclayton, on Sep 21 2005, 12:03 AM, said:
yes I would say impossible given your t/o X.
The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction
1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X
which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me.
That is hard for me to believe. I'm sure they would all X with 3442 18 count, for instance. Are you sure the majority meant it as penalty oriented (ie trumps) and not just extra values without 4 spades? Do you have any idea which month/problem it is, I don't recall this problem. Curious though, maybe I am out of touch
#19
Posted 2005-September-21, 08:24
MickyB, on Sep 21 2005, 10:17 AM, said:
Jlall, on Sep 21 2005, 06:05 AM, said:
pclayton, on Sep 21 2005, 12:03 AM, said:
yes I would say impossible given your t/o X.
The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction
1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X
which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me.
(1S)-X-(2S)-X
(3S)-X
versus
(1C)-X-(P)-1S
(2C)-X
These are quite different beast. Let's look at them quickly. In the first case, if you have 19-21 something is terribly wrong with the deck. Your partner has enough to encourage you to bid at the three level (let's guess 10), West has enough to open and to rebid and east has something to riase to 2S on (don't need many points however). I calculate this as around 48 to 50 hcp. This second double here can't be the strong hand, there isn't enough points in the normal deck. A double here has to show extras and be either "optional" or takeout. If optional, it leaves the door open for 3NT I think.
The second one, you ASKED your partner to bid a suit. After he bid that suit, you have "trump agreement" as far as I am concerned. True doubler mgiht have a GOSH hand (good-one-suited-hand) but then the second double would make no sense). So a second "takeout double" is not needed. After your partner has bid 1♠ if you hand a hand with bal 15=18 you would have overcalled 1NT, so the bigger balanced hand is the obvious hand for this double.
#20 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-21, 08:37
inquiry, on Sep 21 2005, 09:24 AM, said:
Do you ever X 1C with 3442 or 3451? I do not think simply because partner bid 1S over your takeout X and you do not have a 1 suited hand you are forced to play in spades. Strangely, despite the fact that I disagreed with everything else you said we both agree the bigger balanced hand is the most likely hand for this X. That does not make it penalty oriented of course.
BPO-005C
EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH
1♠ DBL 2♠ DBL
3♠ ? your bid
RHO opens 1♠, you dbl, LHO raises to 2♠ partner doubles, RHO bids 3♠ to you.