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Good hand, but how good, exactly?

Poll: Which call do you choose? (66 member(s) have cast votes)

Which call do you choose?

  1. 1NT (1 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  2. 2C (12 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  3. 2H (5 votes [7.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.58%

  4. 2S (48 votes [72.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.73%

  5. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

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Posted 2008-February-06, 02:35

Hi,

it is either 2S or 2C, depending on
partnership agreement.

For me the hand is nearly perfect for
a 2S bid, ... I raise rarely with only 3
card support.
The only thing missing is a spade honor,
but on the other hand, one does have
some HCP compensation.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 04:40

2S and certainly not unhappy about it.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 04:46

I'm the biggest overbidder of the world but I want to bid 2♥ here. I learned that 2♠ with 3 is only good on minimum hands - I know it's not std, but that's what I'm used to and all.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 11:31

gwnn, on Feb 6 2008, 05:46 AM, said:

I'm the biggest overbidder of the world but I want to bid 2♥ here. I learned that 2♠ with 3 is only good on minimum hands - I know it's not std, but that's what I'm used to and all.

This is a minimum hand as in..not close to reverse strength
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Posted 2008-February-06, 12:11

As I said, I'm in the 2♠ camp, but this could be an outright silly contract. Imagine the opponent's drawing our trump then cashing a few diamonds when we have a 5-3 or 5-4 club fit.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 12:30

Clear 2♠ IMO. Not close to reversing values. 2♠ isn't perfect, but it's clearly better than the alternative(s).
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Posted 2008-February-07, 01:46

Clear 2♠ for me playing 2/1 or SAYC. Not happy about it, this sort of hand makes me think "why the hell am I not playing Precision?" (in which 2♥ is obvious).
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Posted 2008-February-07, 04:39

not a reverse hand, so 2S.
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Posted 2008-February-07, 06:05

gwnn, on Feb 6 2008, 12:46 PM, said:

I'm the biggest overbidder of the world but I want to bid 2♥ here. I learned that 2♠ with 3 is only good on minimum hands - I know it's not std, but that's what I'm used to and all.

I don't understand this. P will expect 4-card support. It is nice to have something to compensate for your disappointing 3-card spades.

I suppose the theory is that with a 3154, with a minimum you raise immediately so raising via 2♣ would show extras. But with this hand I don't really see any alternative to 2♠. Agree that the hand is very strong for that bid, though.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 03:24

Jlall, on Feb 6 2008, 12:31 PM, said:

This is a minimum hand as in..not close to reverse strength

:unsure: What, in your opinion, is a minimum 2♥ vote with 3-4-1-5 distribution?
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Posted 2008-February-13, 03:50

2♠ if that's ok in your partnership, else either 2♣ or 2♥ are ok. A tad light for the reverse, but the excellent shape and concentration of honors in the main suits compensates for that.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:11

just because, and days late, i'll join the 2S WTP camp. i am not at all a huge fan of raising on 3 card support, but the hand seems ideal to me for that...one trump honor would be nice, but more than that and partner could end up having to ruff diamonds with trump honors.

as for raising to the 3 level on 3 card support, I can only think of one hand in recent memory that i felt warranted that. i held something like JTx x AKQTx AT9x. 2C seems like an extreme underbid, 3C an equally extreme overbid...whereas I want to be in 4S on the vast majority of hands partner has 5 trumps or 4 quality trumps.

of course, someone who shall remain nameless (ahem, MM), but has been posting in this thread, was kibitzing and immediately called my 3S bid insane.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 16:40

Good call by the nameless, 3S is insane on that hand and 2C is normal.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 19:21

han, on Feb 13 2008, 05:40 PM, said:

Good call by the nameless, 3S is insane on that hand and 2C is normal.

heh. han avoided using my name and "normal" in the same sentence. typical.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 20:16

It was you?

I take it back, bad call.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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