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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-October-10, 18:24

x
AJ9xxx
Jxx
xxx

p-1♣=15+
1♦-1♠
2♥-2♠
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Posted 2009-October-10, 18:44

Pass. I assume 2H showed some life.
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Posted 2009-October-10, 18:53

P -- the standard auction will likely go 1♠ - 1N - 2♠.Be glad that you got to show your ♥s.

On a side note, a SP response structure would have allowed you to show your strength and single suited ♥ heart in one go...
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Posted 2009-October-10, 21:04

Did 2H show values or what? Need to know more info. If 2H was 0+ HCP I think you have to show life at some point with 3H. If 2H showed values I would pass now.
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Posted 2009-October-11, 01:41

Abstain. Why don't we have some way of showing a semipositive hand with 6M?
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Posted 2009-October-11, 04:45

Pass. I assume 2H showed a hand.
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Posted 2009-October-11, 07:08

gwnn, on Oct 10 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

x
AJ9xxx
Jxx
xxx

p-1♣=15+
1♦-1♠
2♥-2♠
?

Was 2♦ <=8? Also what were the options over 1♠? Are there any limits on the 2♠ call?
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Posted 2009-October-11, 07:32

1♦ was negative and 2♥ showed a little life. 1♠ showed 15-19.
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Posted 2009-October-11, 08:59

pass too. You might make game, but the hints are there you probably won't.
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Posted 2009-October-11, 09:40

gwnn, on Oct 11 2009, 08:32 AM, said:

1♦ was negative and 2♥ showed a little life. 1♠ showed 15-19.

with that extra information game chances rate to be anti%age so yes I pass 2♠
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Posted 2009-October-12, 01:35

pass
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Posted 2009-October-12, 04:05

Not playing a strong club system:

You may have avoided the problem, if you had opened a weak two,
but I can understand that a weak two is not an option at certain vul.
But maybe you would have been able to make a weak jump?

The main issue I have with Pass is, that you did not yet show the 6th
heart, partner may or may not have raised with 3 hearts and a 6 card
spade suit, most likely he should, but there is no real good alternative
to Pass.

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Posted 2009-October-12, 09:37

akhare, on Oct 10 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

P -- the standard auction will likely go 1♠ - 1N - 2♠.Be glad that you got to show your ♥s.

No, the typical auction at other tables is 1♠ - 1N - three spades. Be glad you stayed low.

Gwnn - thanks for telling us 2♥ shows a little. What is 1♣ - 2♥?
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Posted 2009-October-12, 09:40

I agree we are in a very good position here, we are probably a level lower than the field and we have shown our hearts as well where they haven't. So I'm happy to pass.
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Posted 2009-October-12, 11:14

Phil, on Oct 12 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

akhare, on Oct 10 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

P -- the standard auction will likely go 1♠ - 1N - 2♠.Be glad that you got to show your ♥s.

No, the typical auction at other tables is 1♠ - 1N - three spades. Be glad you stayed low.

Gwnn - thanks for telling us 2♥ shows a little. What is 1♣ - 2♥?

actually this hand was played at a table I kibbed and I vaguely remember them playing 2D as mini multi over strong club ie 0-5 or something. And 1C 1D, 1H is 19+ almost any shape. So I'm pretty sure 2H here is like 5-8 5+ hearts. But next time I kib them I'll come back with real details. (:
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Posted 2009-October-12, 13:08

2♥ here could easily show the same strength range as 1♣ - 2♥. For one thing the slower version could be a five card suit. It's also a different hand type, for example this very hand you could argue is a bad candidate for a direct 2♥ since it would be a good dummy for lots of strains. It's not like xx KQT9xx xxx xx.
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Posted 2009-October-12, 13:13

OK 1♦ showed 3-9 and 1♣-p-2♦ would have been 0-4 (but no ace) and hearts, 2♥ 0-4 (but no ace) and spades. And 1♠ showed 15-19 with 4+ spades (non forcing).
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Posted 2009-October-12, 14:58

gwnn, on Oct 12 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Phil, on Oct 12 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

akhare, on Oct 10 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

P -- the standard auction will likely go 1♠ - 1N - 2♠.Be glad that you got to show your ♥s.

No, the typical auction at other tables is 1♠ - 1N - three spades. Be glad you stayed low.

Gwnn - thanks for telling us 2♥ shows a little. What is 1♣ - 2♥?

actually this hand was played at a table I kibbed and I vaguely remember them playing 2D as mini multi over strong club ie 0-5 or something. And 1C 1D, 1H is 19+ almost any shape. So I'm pretty sure 2H here is like 5-8 5+ hearts. But next time I kib them I'll come back with real details. (:

2D as mini multi would mean, the hand would have been worth either a
2D opening or a weak two opening, I doubt it makes sense to have
a gap between hands which open with 2D and hands which open with 2H.
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Posted 2009-October-12, 15:18

1C-2D shows 0-4 and 6 hearts. As posted above.
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