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What do you open? I'll give you options

Poll: You open... (48 member(s) have cast votes)

You open...

  1. 1 club (7 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

  2. 1 spade (3 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  3. 2 spades (1 votes [2.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

  4. 3 clubs (1 votes [2.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

  5. 4 clubs (3 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  6. 5 clubs (28 votes [58.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.33%

  7. pass (4 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  8. other (1 votes [2.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

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Posted 2009-December-14, 16:37

No-one Vulnerable, after 2 passes you hold:

Q9xxx


KQJxxxxx

It's imp's, you can:

Open 1 3+, 1 5+, 2 5's 4+ in a minor (less than 10) or a club pre-empt at the level you choose.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2009-December-14, 16:42

5 is fine. Second choice 6.

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Posted 2009-December-14, 16:45

Finally a hand I would open 5m with!
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Posted 2009-December-14, 17:21

Hanoi5, on Dec 14 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

It's imp's, you can:

Open 1 3+, 1 5+, 2 5's 4+ in a minor (less than 10)...

Just because its imps doesn't come remotely close to justifying a 2 opening with this hand :)

5 looks very normal to me.
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Posted 2009-December-14, 17:54

I've opened 2 with 5 spades and a bad 7 card club before, 5 for me.
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Posted 2009-December-14, 22:59

I anticipate 5C leads to X and 5N(2-places) -> 6-red or 5N ->6-red immediate. Try 6C. Way ups the chances opponents' one guess where-to-play is wrong for the price -200 more.

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Posted 2009-December-15, 02:26

5C.

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Posted 2009-December-15, 04:18

I open 1 Club. I hate bidding 5 club with a 4 card major, but there are exceptions. But I cannot do it with a 5 card major.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 04:50

5. Why am I considering to play in spades. We have two voids with an 8 count and the auction has gone pass-pass! Gl opps.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 06:04

5clubs for me. Not many hands play better in spades even wit solid support.
We can miss a slam or maybe we are preempting too low. I don't know. 6clubs seems like good alternative but I have absolutely no intuition/knowledge/feeling about it being a good gamble or not.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 06:18

andy_h, on Dec 15 2009, 05:50 AM, said:

5. Why am I considering to play in spades. We have two voids with an 8 count and the auction has gone pass-pass! Gl opps.

Agreed, I posted a hand where I opened 5 on x, 9xxxx, AKxxxxx elsewhere, so I'm going to do the same sort of thing here too.

If opps think I'm an idiot, I might consider bidding like an idiot (start with 3 then bid 5) and I bet I'll get to play 5x.

You probably only want to play in spades if partner has 4 or 5 of them and no clubs, which is certainly pretty unlikely given what partner and I habitually open at the one or two level with, but this inference is less safe for others. Yes it's possible partner has J10xx and the spade ruff puts you one further off in clubs, but that's not a big consideration.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 10:34

5 looks normal, but I would be tempted to open 4 and compete to 4 over the likely 4 by RHO or LHO.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 10:40

Phil, on Dec 15 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

5 looks normal, but I would be tempted to open 4 and compete to 4 over the likely 4 by RHO or LHO.

This was my initial reaction.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 13:04

4C did not enter my mind I must admit.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 13:43

I think 4 is kinda in no man's land. It's a bid that isn't so destructive as it lets them in at the 4 level for the purpose of a hopeful constructive 4. It pretty much defeats the purpose of the preempt.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 15:47

I think 4 is ill-advised. This hand is not about us trying to find the best fit, as we know who has the high cards at this table (LHO).

I'd either open 5 or 1NT.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 16:17

Yes, it seems to me the only possible reason for bidding something other than 5 is that you want to try a psyche.
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Posted 2009-December-15, 16:29

Apollo81, on Dec 15 2009, 04:47 PM, said:

I think 4 is ill-advised. This hand is not about us trying to find the best fit, as we know who has the high cards at this table (LHO).

I'd either open 5 or 1NT.

Yes, but, 4 provides 80% of the preemption 5 does, and it helps partner evaluate his cards for the five or six level decision.

I think I've convinced myself I like 4 :P

The 3rd seat 1N psyche is an old, tired joke now. I'd rather open 1 or even 2N :(
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Posted 2009-December-15, 16:53

Phil who says the effect of preemption is a linear function? I bet it's a lot closer to exponential...
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Posted 2009-December-15, 17:04

jdonn, on Dec 15 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Phil who says the effect of preemption is a linear function? I bet it's a lot closer to exponential...

Depending on which way you parameterize your exponential that could mean that either 4 captures most of the preemptive value that 5 does or quite a bit less than 80%.
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