[MrAce]

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Imps, 4♦ was leaping michaels 5+♦ and 5+ Major strong hand, plan your bidding

[jmcw]

I'm bidding 4♥ and passing the expected 4♠.
I would need a ♣ control to consider any other action.

[P_Marlowe]

4H.

If p converts to 4S, I may start to consider trying for slam, most likely I wont, but
I may start thinking about slam.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

4H for correction and I don't plan in going any further unless pard gets happy.

[quiddity]

I think I would try 4♥ and raise partner's 4♠ to 5. Three cover cards is a lot.
Of course this also risks a pass when partner has hearts. Maybe that's not so bad, since the ♠KQ isn't quite as valuable in that case. Would 5♥ be an unambiguous pass-or-correct invitation?

[phil_20686]

I think if partner has hearts he is mega likely to be short in clubs. I think one should be making a slam move, but I dont know which one. I would not be over worried about a club control, sure it can happen that the oppos have an undisclosed 9 card spade fit, but it seems more likely that their fit is in their seven card suit.

I lot depends on your leabing micheals style. ANd your double and bid style. Would people double and bid with: Ax KQxxx AKxxx x? FOr me this is about the least I would consider for a leaping micheals, especially at this vul. I know that with this shape some would dble 3c then bid hearts to show a flexibly hand with 5 hearts. And some would only bid 3H with this hand.

[phil_20686]

ANyone have a strong feeling about whether 4N-5d-5M is different from 5c-5d-5M?

[gnasher]

I think that a direct 5♥ is a pass-or-correct slam invitation without club control. 5♣-5♦-5♥ shows the same hand with a club control.

I'm not sure what 4NT should mean here. In the the only partnership where I've discussed it, we agreed 4-ace Blackwood, but it could also be played as a slam try in something. In either case, 4NT-5♦;5♥ is a pass-or-correct signoff.

[JLOGIC]

I think 4N is a slam try in diamonds with no club control.

[MrAce]

This was actually my pd's hand, and i had

AJ742
Q
AJ953
AK

I actually bid 4♣ over 3♣ because he doesnt play leaping michaels, i showed strong 2 suiter of any kind, he bid 6♥ which i corrected to 6♠

[gwnn]

It's better to play 4♣ as ♦+M, 4♦ as majors.

Over 4♣ you bid 4♦, asking for the major. 4M is natural.

[MrAce]

gwnn, on 2011-September-07, 03:14, said:

It's better to play 4♣ as ♦+M, 4♦ as majors.

Over 4♣ you bid 4♦, asking for the major. 4M is natural.

I like that, thanks.

[gwnn]

Just to clarify, I meant that

3♣-4♣-p-4M is natural.

[JLOGIC]

Seems like there is merit to more artificiality in those responses.

[gwnn]

Well don't you want to know opener's major with just about all hands that are interested in slam?

[JLOGIC]

Sure, but it would be nice to be able to show slam-interest values and still be able to stop in 4M.

[JLOGIC]

Off the top of my head, 4D showing either no slam interest or a slam force or a slam try in diamonds wanting to know partners major (partner bids his major), 4H showing a slam try opposite hearts, 4S showing a slam try opposite spades, or a hand that wants to play either diamonds or force to slam opposite hearts.

Something like that. I did not think about it much so I'm sure that can be improved upon a lot.

[whereagles]

Justin, I "solve" that problem by having 2 bids for two-suiters.

(3♣) 4♦ = D+M, 4+ losers
(3♣) 4NT = D+M, 3- losers

Maybe not ideal, but hey what else do you want the 4NT bid for?

[gnasher]

whereagles, on 2011-September-07, 04:44, said:

Justin, I "solve" that problem by having 2 bids for two-suiters.

(3♣) 4♦ = D+M, 4+ losers
(3♣) 4NT = D+M, 3- losers

Maybe not ideal, but hey what else do you want the 4NT bid for?

I quite like the idea of being able to play in four of a major when I have three losers.

[gnasher]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-07, 04:41, said:

Off the top of my head, 4D showing either no slam interest or a slam force or a slam try in diamonds wanting to know partners major (partner bids his major), 4H showing a slam try opposite hearts, 4S showing a slam try opposite spades, or a hand that wants to play either diamonds or force to slam opposite hearts.

Something like that. I did not think about it much so I'm sure that can be improved upon a lot.

I think that your most likely slam-try type is a hand with a couple of high cards that can't safely go beyond four of a major, but wants to show some values in case partner happens to have a very good hand. So I would play:

4♦ = asking for the major, either a mild slam try or a slam force
4M = pass or correct, either a signoff hand or a slam try in the other major