[inquiry]

Voting should be over by now.. time to discuss...

Scoring: IMP

BPO-004B

West   North   East  South
Pass     2♣ Pass 2♦
PASS    2♠   Pass    ?

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[helene_t]

I voted 3♦ based on the idea that a diamond slam could be better than a spades slam. Also, if partner rebids 3♥ I can bid 3♠ and he has some idea about what I have.

Also, I prefer to have 4-card support for 3♠. And certainly for a 4♣ splinter.

It's not ideal, I'm not sure what to do if partner bids 3♠ or 3NT. 2NT is an alternative. But then again, I don't know what to do over 3♠. Here in the Netherlands you're allowed to cue a singleton but as I understand it, Americans don't do that.

[badderzboy]

My thoughts were 3♦ or 4♣ (Splinter) but can 2♠ be a 4 card suit...

So I'll show a long ♦ suit with 3♦ but not good enough to show initially and with a little extra and keep the auction going

Now the next question is what would 4♣ over 3♠ rebid mean?

Steve

[hrothgar]

BP0-004B: 3D

Another interesting hand made MUCH more difficult by the lack of
definition regarding system. My intention is to advance with a
forcing 3D rebid and then show Spade support. I believe that this
should show this hand type. My primary concern is that partner might
expect a stronger Diamond suit (KQT942 or some such). However,
holding that and the Hxx in Spades I would have made an immediate 3D
positive over the strong 2C opening.

[cherdano]

I am really curious how the panel (I mean those who belong there, not me) will bid here. I thought the bid was clear but 2♣ auctions are so rare that I cannot claim to have much experience at all with this.

Arend

[P_Marlowe]

4C, splinter.

I have nothing else worthwile to tell.

Marlowe

[whereagles]

This is another hand where I'd like to know the system I'm playing ...

Would 3♠ now be forcing? Is it stronger or weaker than 4♠?
What's the max that a 2♣-2♦ response can have?
Couldn't I have bid 2♣-3♦ the first round?

Anyway.. since I don't know what I'm playing, I'm just going to bid what I have: support for pard's suit. So.. 3♠

[cherdano]

BBO advanced does specify 2♥ as immediate double negative. If we assume standard style of 2♣, then 2♦ must induce a game force.

Arend

[whereagles]

Ahh.. ok. Thx. I might try 4♠ then. Nothing else is worth mentioning, except perhaps the club singleton. But I think I lack the playing strenght to announce it.

[DrTodd13]

I thought I was going to be a lone dissenter but I did hear one voice for 4♠. This appears to be a distributional hand and in such queens and jacks should be highly devalued. I've already forced to game by not bidding 2♥ immediately and from my point of view, this hand isn't much better than a minimum 2♦ call. Yes, I would say that under the principle of fast arrival that 3♠ would be stronger than 4♠. So, I consider this hand so weak that I'll bid 4♠.

Was this question designed to see whether 3♠ is not an indicator of strength since we have serious 3N available after the 3♠ bid? In the context of serious 3N, what does it mean to bypass even the possibility of using it?

[han]

3S, better than 4S. Like to have a fourth trump for 4C, 3D will confuse partner.

[HeartA]

P_Marlowe, on Jul 12 2005, 07:23 AM, said:

4C, splinter.

I have nothing else worthwile to tell.

Marlowe

same here.

[pclayton]

4C for me too. Could pard have a 4 card spade suit? Yes, I suppose, once in a blue moon with a monster 4414 or 4315. Hands like this, unless they are about a 23 count or higher, are better off opened 1C.

I guess I'm OK with 3D but my biggest fear is that when I retreat back to spades, it sounds like a forced preference.

[Double !]

Clear cut 3 spade bid IMO.
Establish the fit first. Does NOT deny other values, is stronger than 4S which implies weakish hand, and doesn't preclude the potential of showing other features next. A splinter 4C bid should probably show a 4th spade and closer to 4441 than 6421. The problem with rebidding 3D, IMO, is that P might make assume control cards in diamonds since you elected to make this the first bit of information to share with partner: will P will play you for Kxx with an outside stiff, and no A or K in diamonds when you then raise spades secondarily and also try to show the club stiff? Gets kinda complicated.

[mike777]

Hannie, on Jul 12 2005, 12:46 PM, said:

3S, better than 4S. Like to have a fourth trump for 4C, 3D will confuse partner.

ditto

[luke warm]

3♦ because it shows my cards.. we're game force anyway and i will show spades if i need to

[bearmum]

I voted for 3♦ rather than 3♠ although a good case could be made for the 3♠ bid.

[flytoox]

whereagles, on Jul 12 2005, 01:42 PM, said:

Ahh.. ok. Thx. I might try 4♠ then. Nothing else is worth mentioning, except perhaps the club singleton. But I think I lack the playing strenght to announce it.

At least you have a singleton and good trump support.

4S shows nothing but 3 small spades. You have much more than that.

[flytoox]

DrTodd13, on Jul 12 2005, 05:00 PM, said:

I thought I was going to be a lone dissenter but I did hear one voice for 4♠. This appears to be a distributional hand and in such queens and jacks should be highly devalued. I've already forced to game by not bidding 2♥ immediately and from my point of view, this hand isn't much better than a minimum 2♦ call. Yes, I would say that under the principle of fast arrival that 3♠ would be stronger than 4♠. So, I consider this hand so weak that I'll bid 4♠.

Was this question designed to see whether 3♠ is not an indicator of strength since we have serious 3N available after the 3♠ bid? In the context of serious 3N, what does it mean to bypass even the possibility of using it?

Perhaps there is a reason for bidding 4S alone:)

In my opinion, 4S is really a horrible horrible bid. You have good trump support, a good side diamond suit, a single club. There are so much to tell pd and I think I need a few bids to fulfill this job. But you think 4S can do this job?


I think you need to reconsider it:)


Kind regards


Hongjun

[Rebound]

For this hand I will say only that I believe 3♠ to be the call since it sets the trump suit asap.