[jillybean]

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MP

[hrothgar]

jillybean, on 2025-May-19, 08:34, said:

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MP

1♥

perhaps 2♦, but today 1♥

(don't have strong objections to pass)

[jillybean]

hrothgar, on 2025-May-19, 08:38, said:

1♥

perhaps 2♦, but today 1♥

(don't have strong objections to pass)

it's the n/b forum, please elaborate

[Huibertus]

1NT, take out the 1♥/1♠ bid of either opponent Then hope partner bids a very aggressive 3♦ for you to pass on, and you've probably stolen the part score. Not enough strength for 2♣ not enough ♦ to support ♦. Psyching 1♥/♠ as someone seems to (jokingly?) suggest could see partner simply raising it to 4. Pass is an option, but you need to be sure of your partnerships upper limit for a 1 opening.

[jillybean]

Huibertus, on 2025-May-19, 08:58, said:

1NT, take out the 1♥/1♠ bid of either opponent Then hope partner bids a very aggressive 3♦ for you to pass on, and you've probably stolen the part score. Not enough strength for 2♣ not enough ♦ to support ♦. Psyching 1♥/♠ as someone seems to (jokingly?) suggest could see partner simply raising it to 4.

1♥ is not a psych

[hrothgar]

Huibertus, on 2025-May-19, 08:58, said:

1NT, take out the 1♥/1♠ bid of either opponent Then hope partner bids a very aggressive 3♦ for you to pass on, and you've probably stolen the part score. Not enough strength for 2♣ not enough ♦ to support ♦. Psyching 1♥/♠ as someone seems to (jokingly?) suggest could see partner simply raising it to 4. Pass is an option, but you need to be sure of your partnerships upper limit for a 1 opening.

1♥ is not intended as a psych. I think that its a good description of the hand.
I'd consider the bid absolutely clear cut if the red suit holdings were reversed.

If partner raises to three or even four hearts, I expect this to have good play.

To me, at least, 1NT promises real values. It's one of the bids that I would never consider.
I think that pass is much better.

I also think that 2♦ is more than reasonable. Partner rates to have four hearts.

Please note, my club length is the main reason that I am not bidding 2♦.
My club length increases the chance that partner holds the dread 4=4=3=2 pattern.

Even so, I don't consider 2♦ at all unreasonable.

[DavidKok]

1NT, with pass being a worse second option. I've already been accused of masterminding so I'll refrain from showing 4(+)♥ with 1♥ or 10-11 HCP with 2♦. Most people also require four diamonds to raise, especially if 1♦ is regularly only 4 cards.

Your 1♦ style matters here, as does your 2♣ style with primary diamonds.

As a bonus, 1NT promises (for some people 'promises') 4(+)♣ and commonly denies four diamonds. Partner should be in a good position to decide what to do.

Not N/B:

Spoiler

You can play that 1♦-1NT; 2♣ shows 3(+) clubs unbal and still never miss your minor suit fit. Such a fun and completely natural 'gadget'! And useful too for those misfit minimum reverse 5431's.

[mw64ahw]

DavidKok, on 2025-May-19, 09:50, said:

As a bonus, 1NT promises (for some people 'promises') 4(+)♣ and commonly denies four diamonds. Partner should be in a good position to decide what to do.

It does for me 4/5♣. With 6 I bid them.

[mike777]

1NT

strangely the bid so seldom comes up, I would think it would more often since I play it as such a wide range.

[jillybean]

I prefer 1nt to pass, but with xx, Jxx in the majors, I'm far more comfortable with 1H
Where are the spades, and the rest of the hearts?

[AL78]

I play in Acol weak NT land so 1NT 6-9 HCP denies 4CM.

[thepossum]

My first inclination was pass
Chance that South will bid and see what happens next

I have had a worse 1 diamond hand

And TBH I prefer not to be playing 1NT

[pescetom]

I can't imagine anything other than 1NT or Pass, and not just because this is N/B forum.

I would choose 1NT, partner opened in 4th seat and I trust her to have a good reason.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-May-20, 12:35, said:

I can't imagine anything other than 1NT or Pass, and not just because this is N/B forum.

I would choose 1NT, partner opened in 4th seat and I trust her to have a good reason.

Should have a good reason playing what I play as 1N in 4th seat is 11-bad 14 ish

Would bid 1N

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2025-May-19, 14:03, said:

I prefer 1nt to pass, but with xx, Jxx in the majors, I'm far more comfortable with 1H
Where are the spades, and the rest of the hearts?

1NT.

I have no idea, how the majors are distributed, it does not matter.
I try to describe my hand. 1NT denies 4 card in either major, it will also deny a 5th
diamond, and it showes 6-10.
Given this, when I look at my hand, this description comes pretty close.
I am happy, when the description I make, matches my hand, ... if forced, I can invent
bids, painting something I dont hold, but I prefer to do this, when I know more about the
layout.

If you dont like 1NT, pass, opener is somewhat limited, ..., depends a bit how conservative
you open 2C / 2NT, anything else is Masterminding, and if you play with a N/B, will
only lead to disaster.

[mikl_plkcc]

A clear pass to me.

[akwoo]

I think it's a clear 1N. -100 is better than -110. Can always run to 2C if they double.

[thepossum]

Just commenting again
I am rather surprised at so many bidding 1NT with that hand
Partner could be quite light and flat. You have no cover in most suits
All your honours are queens and jacks
Opps could have more points
I'm hoping maybe South will bid and partner can describe their big hand better next time round

[akwoo]

thepossum, on 2025-May-22, 18:47, said:

Partner could be quite light and flat. You have no cover in most suits

It's particularly important to bid if partner is light and flat, because then opponents have a game. Making them start at the 2 level makes it much harder for them to find the game if they have it (and also more likely to overbid if they don't). If they pass with a game on, -300 is a good score. If they double, you should be fine in 2 of a minor.

[thepossum]

akwoo, on 2025-May-22, 19:31, said:

It's particularly important to bid if partner is light and flat, because then opponents have a game. Making them start at the 2 level makes it much harder for them to find the game if they have it (and also more likely to overbid if they don't). If they pass with a game on, -300 is a good score. If they double, you should be fine in 2 of a minor.

I disagree completely
I don't bid rubbish hands and rubbish contracts
At least my partners know I do not bid rubbish and we stand a decent chance of making what I bid
If you are going to take a fall with that go for 1 diamond
On the other hand there is a chance South will bid and you have better chance of partner showing their hand

Maybe I learned Bridge in a different school

You seriously saying you want to be playing 1NT, maybe doubled with that rubbish

But I am curious why you have started following me around with what seems a very personal need to have a go at everything I say
What's your problem mate

I wasn't an NB when you lot started bugging me all those years ago. I would hardly still be one now lol

Go an patronise someone else

But you have not convinced me that I would change my view on that hand. Depends on the day but it is a rubbish hand

And both opps have already passed etc
Partner may have a big hand but at least we may score positive

At least a few others considered pass an option and some even considerded 1 heart. I do not feel that bad

4th hand open, possibly very ordinary I want a few more points to bid NT

Bridge is a wonderful game. Allows everyone to show their feelings on their hand as they like

Sorry if I seem peeved. Some of us deal with too much rubbish in our lives to argue about this

And I know my sms are very basic but with a weakish hand with West (sub NT) diamonds scores better than NT by around 05-0.9 of a trick - I was so peeved I even wasted time writing a script. Chance of negative in diamonds around 0.5. Chance of negative in NT 0.9 Thats ignoring South entering the auction of course but etc That was sub no trump. With really weak eg 12 points and flattish with 4 spades (say) diamonds is still around 0.8 trick better but still bad. If my opps want to compete let them, and then partner comes back with their strong second bid Iried the rule of 15 too lol but partner can't just have 11 and 4 spades. Not possible Even if I allow for partner to have any opening bud other than 1NT diamonds still wins by around half a trick. But why push your luck going to 2 unnecessairly. Iguess I should add up the exact number of points on average but I have wasted enough time already. EDIT Sorry calculated average scores. Diammonds +34, NT + 25 whcichever way you look at it, incluuding all my errors Diamonds wins

I guess basic stuff in Bridge includes risks of downsides in NT especially when vulnerable