5nt?
#1
Posted 2009-July-13, 11:34
Assume Jacoby and Texas transfers are played.
2nt=3h
3s=5nt?
#2
Posted 2009-July-13, 11:36
You pose a good question.
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#3
Posted 2009-July-13, 11:39
#4
Posted 2009-July-13, 11:57
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#5
Posted 2009-July-13, 11:58
vuroth, on Jul 13 2009, 12:57 PM, said:
Don't know if you are joking or serious It's a choice of small slams. There is no choice of grands bid.
#6
Posted 2009-July-13, 12:00
Thanks.
V
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#7
Posted 2009-July-13, 13:09
100% inviting 6♠.
100% offering 6NT as alternative.
Arguable as to whether Opener can introduce any other call as an alternatuve strain. I think so. As Responder seems to be advertising a 5332 hand, I think Opener can bid any other suit (6♣, 6♦, 6♥) to offer that strain back.
-P.J. Painter.
#8
Posted 2009-July-13, 14:14
jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
vuroth, on Jul 13 2009, 12:57 PM, said:
Don't know if you are joking or serious It's a choice of small slams. There is no choice of grands bid.
That is not true in all situations... 2N 5N is 'bid 6 or 7'... at least, that is the 'standard' treatment... Lawrence actually describes such an auction in one of his books... the one in which he describes playing matchpoints with him... his partner raised 1N to 5N, and he bid 7, only to find that his partner had meant only to invite 6.
On the auction given, however, I agree that 5N offers the choice between 6♠ and 6N
#9
Posted 2009-July-13, 14:41
mikeh, on Jul 13 2009, 03:14 PM, said:
jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 12:58 PM, said:
vuroth, on Jul 13 2009, 12:57 PM, said:
Don't know if you are joking or serious It's a choice of small slams. There is no choice of grands bid.
That is not true in all situations... 2N 5N is 'bid 6 or 7'... at least, that is the 'standard' treatment... Lawrence actually describes such an auction in one of his books... the one in which he describes playing matchpoints with him... his partner raised 1N to 5N, and he bid 7, only to find that his partner had meant only to invite 6.
Um hehe, how is an invitation to a grand a choice of grands?
#10
Posted 2009-July-13, 15:27
Sensibly these are now normally and better played as offering a choice of slams.
I don't know how exactly what is standard for how we invite grands anymore.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#11
Posted 2009-July-13, 16:27
#12
Posted 2009-July-13, 16:50
jdonn, on Jul 14 2009, 10:27 AM, said:
Sure I was thinking of auctions where you introduced your major.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#13
Posted 2009-July-13, 17:27
2n-3h
3s-6s
It seems that one of these should be a grand try, and I have to admit it seems slightly more intuitive for the 5n sequence to be the grand try with spades (analagous to transfer and then 4n).
#14
Posted 2009-July-13, 17:29
#15
Posted 2009-July-13, 19:22
That one is weirder. GSF is idiotic as an interpretation, as Responder cannot have enough opposite a NT opening, IMO, for GSF to make sense. Sure, there's a hand...
-P.J. Painter.
#16
Posted 2009-July-13, 19:42
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#17
Posted 2009-July-14, 00:57
1. 2nt-3♥
3♠-6♠
2. 2nt-3♥
3♠-5nt
3. 2nt-4♥
4♠-6♠
4. 2nt-4♥
4♠-5nt
I think 4 should be choice between 6 and 7 with 6+ spades.
I think 3 should be to play with 6+ spades.
I think 1's analogous situation with a jacoby and then game bid is a mild invite, so it could be a mild invite to 7, but a more sensible meaning might well be 5 spades, pick between 6♠ and 6nt.
If you have that meaning then it seems like 2 (jacoby than 5nt) ought to be invite between 6 and 7 with 5 spades allowing for any of 6♠, 6nt, 7♠, and 7nt.
But without special discussion I'd take it as 5♠ and choose between 6♠ and 6nt.
The normal thing that gets weird is normally if we want to play a major we can bid game in a major over game in nt. Whereas once we get to slam we can't bid 6nt and allow partner to correct to 6♠ with 3+ spades.
#18
Posted 2009-July-14, 13:18
jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 12:39 PM, said:
But opener could bid a natural suit at the 6 level as a suggested slam?
Bill