[Bbradley62]

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Is it standard to play "1NT systems on" in this situation?

[Hanoi5]

What?

If your partner doubles 1NT for penalties you either pass, takeout to your best suit (or invite if you think you can have a game) or get to game. I don't know of any system to deal with it.

[gnasher]

It's standard that two of anything is to play, because in general the only hands that would bid here are weak hands. Three of a suit is probably best played as invitational with a long suit and not much else.

I have seen (and even played) a scheme where 2♣ is a signoff somewhere, and other bids show two-suiters. I don't think the loss of a natural 2♣ makes this worthwhile, because the two-suiters are quite rare.

[aguahombre]

gnasher, on 2011-July-16, 16:27, said:

I have seen (and even played) a scheme where 2♣ is a signoff somewhere, and other bids show two-suiters. I don't think the loss of a natural 2♣ makes this worthwhile, because the two-suiters are quite rare.

Bidding 2♣ as a conventional call makes more sense than wanting to play in Justin's (LHO's) eight-card suit.

[the hog]

Surely you would pass this hand if partner doubles.

[Bbradley62]

the hog, on 2011-July-16, 19:04, said:

Surely you would pass this hand if partner doubles.

Express TCR80 tourney. 7 Easts faced this situation; 2 passed (+500 and -180), 4 bid 2♦ (taken as a ♥ xfer by one West), and 1 bid 2♣ Stayman (and his partner played Moysian 2♥).

[fromageGB]

Bbradley62, on 2011-July-16, 19:42, said:

Express TCR80 tourney. 7 Easts faced this situation; 2 passed (+500 and -180), 4 bid 2♦ (taken as a ♥ xfer by one West), and 1 bid 2♣ Stayman (and his partner played Moysian 2♥).

Perhaps it's a question of partnership agreement in some of the cases you mention. For me the double would be 2 suited takeout including a 4 card major, and I would bid 2♣ to deny a 4 card major. I know someone who plays X as a general takeout, and then the bid with this hand is of course 2♦.

In general though, if it is a penalty double I can't see why you would bid with this hand. If you wanted to bid with weaker hands then you would want 2♣ as a genuine suit rather than a convention such as stayman. So my answer to your question is "no".

[Free]

There's no such thing as 'standard' because that's usually quite regional. That being said, I would never consider systems on in this situation, unless specifically agreed. After a penalty Dbl from partner, either you pass or you bid your own suit when you're really weak.

[jillybean]

Bbradley62, on 2011-July-16, 19:42, said:

Express TCR80 tourney. 7 Easts faced this situation; 2 passed (+500 and -180), 4 bid 2♦ (taken as a ♥ xfer by one West), and 1 bid 2♣ Stayman (and his partner played Moysian 2♥).

I believe the Express TCR tourneys are the free, individual tournaments? If so, playing in these games is a recipe for disaster, there is no standard.

For me it is penalty and I pass. I have no idea how it would be interpreted and what subsequent bids would mean in an indy.

[Bbradley62]

Thanks for the feedback.